In DANDR page 232 is atkins suggested induction menu. It does include meal replacement shakes as snacks (not as actual meal replacement). However I think that if you were to ask every person that has used them, most will say that it caused them to stall. I found the meal replacement bars to stall me and no the candy is definately not an induction food. You have to use your own judgement on it in the end but if you have other options, I would avoid them.

Jenn

Wasn't that nice of AN to write a breif - yet apparently altered - summary of the Atkins plan? I refuse to buy it, but I'd be interested in reading it just to see how else they changed it.

I am a firm beleiver in the "oldtimer" methods as well - they are working wonders in my life, I am learning new things, and I LOVE it...I have broken my sugar addictions, and stay far far away from lc products...real food tastes so much better!!!!!!!!!!!

I really had no idea about him selling the company etc. Makes sense as to why there are endorsements on things that I know were against what was written in the book. Anyways, I was wondering.. do I have a book that had non-atkins suggestions in it? I use Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. It's the updated revised edition. Is the induction list etc the same in that book as the one you use or was it tainted by AN?

Jenn

I have the same one, but my aunt gave me the old one...the only real difference i have noted is that the new one has more research, and offers more carbs...the old one was more protein based, with only a salad for carbs....I think 90% is common sense...if we follow the induction/OWL, etc and really avoid the junk we will be just fine...

Sorry, Elsah, I beg to differ. For a long time, while I was still losing weight slowly but steadily, I was having an Atkins shake for breakfast most mornings.

I'm in a long stall right now, but have tapered off a bit on the shakes for breakfast. (often skipping breakfast) Reminded of that, I just drank one for breakfast.

Signed, at least one person

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure. I am way past induction... actually i am on maint and working my way back up the scales.*or trying too* but one of these days after the baby is born, I might revisit induction to jumpstart myself back to a lower weight. I just wanted to know if I was following an unaltered addition or not.

jenn

Thanks tarheel I actually didn't mean to word it that way, I know that there is the rare exception which is why I think people shouldn't say that it's a definate no no to everyone.

Jenn

And that too is simply the point I was trying to get across. It is not a no-no for every one. I haven't tried hardly anything , as I said in the first post, and am in my 5th week of induction. And Kristine thanks for clearing up something for me... I didn't realize Essentials wasn't written by Dr A. I thought he just evolved or progressed into Atkins Nuitritionals. I hadnt even heard of the book until I had quite a few people in the forum tell me I should read it. I still have my good ol' DANDR how ever and that has been my plan all along. I did try that pancake the other day though after having read Essentials.

One thing to remember is that Atkins developed his program over a relatively long period of time. I think some of the confusion is caused by the changes that he made in different versions of his book. I have three copies published over a 10+ year period and they are all different. The concept of "net carbs" didn't even show up until DANDR, did it?

Of course, it doesn't help the Atkins Nutritionals is liberalizing the "official" program to make more of their manufactured foods fit.

Thats something to ponder on alright freckles.

Thanks guys for talking about the LC products! I did read the atkins book back in august, but LC products have just bombarded my area in the last few months. I do drink the shakes but only when i'm to busy to eat real food. I've had maybe 6 shakes in 2 months. And i find that if i eat the LC "candy" it makes me crave sugar so i just find it's easier to stay away.

P.S.
what does DANDR stand for exactly, i want to make sure i read the right book!

Thank you very much
brandi

I think I followed the induction pretty good. I do need to boost my water, less diet cokes. More or Less I'm afraid to add more than 20 carbs..Though sometimes when I eat the fats and required salad/veggies..I still find that I'm under 20 carbs. So I try to add some more carbs.( Induction carbs)SO which leads me to my point..I think everyones body is different and different things make them stall. I was comparing myself to everyone in the beginnig. I cut my cheese intake down to 1 to 2 oz in fear I may stall. Also I'm a miser when it comes to cream cheese. I won't eat cream cheese if I have eaten cheddar cheese to keep my cheese intake down. I think you have to try whats best for you..Trial and error. I agree that the Atkins bars(candy) could stall someone, but I like sweets and don't feel that would ever change, I enjoy the taste of chocolate..so I may eat 1 a week. I have lost 17 pounds in 11 days..Don't know if thats good or bad, but I feel good. So Honestly my point now..
Trial and error, you need to heed the advice of others and work out your own plan as you go..
I've gotten so much good info from this site and it has made the difference..
And Of coarse, God is ulitimately responsible for my weight loss..
Thanks everyone..
Michelle

DANDR = Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution, several editions, ranging from 1992 to 2002

Its main differentiation is from the original Diet Revolution which Atkins published in the early 1970's.


hth,

Doreen