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Old Thu, May-24-12, 02:54
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May 23, 2012

Reverse Engineering Epilepsy's 'Miracle' Diet

For decades, neurologists have known that a diet high in fat and extremely low in carbohydrates can reduce epileptic seizures that resist drug therapy. But until now, how the diet worked, and why, was a mystery.

Now, researchers at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard Medical School have proposed an answer, linking resistance to seizures to aprotein that modifies cellular metabolism in the brain. The research, to be published in the May 24th issue of the journal Neuron, may lead to the development of new treatments for epilepsy.

The research was led jointly by Nika Danial, HMS assistant professor of cell biology at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, and Gary Yellen,professor of neurobiology at Harvard Medical School. The first author was Alfredo Giménez-Cassina, a research fellow in Danial's lab.

Epilepsy is a neurological disorder characterized by repeated seizures, an electrical storm in the brain that can manifest as convulsions, loss of motor control, or loss of consciousness. Some cases ofepilepsy can be improved by a diet that drastically reduces sugar intake, triggering neurons to switch from their customary fuel of glucose to fat byproducts called ketone bodies. The so-called ketogenic diet, which mimics effects of starvation, was described more than 80 years ago and received renewed interest in the 1990s. Recent studies corroborate that it works, but shed little light on how.

"The connection between metabolism and epilepsy has been such a puzzle," said Yellen, who was introduced to the ketogenic diet through his wife, Elizabeth Thiele, HMS professor of neurology, who directs the Pediatric Epilepsy Program at MassGeneral Hospital for Children, but was not directly involved in the study. "I've met a lot of kids whose lives are completely changed by this diet," Yellen said. "It's amazingly effective, and it works for many kids for whom drugs don't work."

"We knew we needed to come at this link between metabolism and epilepsy from a new angle," said Danial, who had previously discovered a surprising double duty for a protein known for its role in apoptosis: The protein, BCL-2-associated Agonist of Cell Death, or BAD, also regulated glucose metabolism.

Giménez-Cassina further discovered that certain modifications in BAD switched metabolism in brain cells from glucose to ketone bodies. "It was then that we realized we had come upon a metabolic switch to do what the ketogenic diet does to the brain without any actual dietary therapy," said Gimenez-Cassina, who went on to show that these same BAD modifications protect against seizures in experimental models of epilepsy. Still, it wasn't clear exactly how.

Yellen suspected the solution involved potassium ion channels. While sodium and calcium ion channels tend to excite cells, including neurons, potassium channels tend to suppress cell electrical activity. His lab had previously linked ketone bodies to the activation of ATP-sensitive potassium (KATP) channels in neurons. Yellen had hypothesized that the ketogenic diet workedbecause ketone bodies provide neurons enough fuel for normal function, but when the electrical and energy storm of an epileptic seizure threatens, the activated KATP channels can shut the storm down. But the effects of diets are broad and complex, so it was impossible to say for sure.

The effects that Danial's lab had discovered -- BAD's ability to alter metabolism and seizures -- offered a new avenue for studying the therapeutic effects of altered metabolism. Together, the researchers decided to investigate whether Danial's switch governed Yellen's pathway, and whether they could reverse engineer the seizure protection of a ketogenic diet.

They could. Working in genetically altered mice, the researchers modified the BAD protein to reduce glucose metabolism and increase ketone body metabolism in the brain. Seizures decreased, but the benefit was erased when they knocked out the KATP channel -- strong evidence that a BAD-KATP pathway conferred resistance to epileptic seizures. Further experiments suggested that it was indeed BAD's role in metabolism, not cell death that mattered. The findings make the BAD protein a promising target for newepilepsy drugs.

"Diet sounds like this wholesome way to treat seizures, but it's very hard. I mean, diets in general are hard, and this diet is really hard," said Yellen, whose wife's Center for Dietary Therapy in Epilepsy hosts a candy-free Halloween party for its many patients on the ketogenic diet. "So finding a pharmacological substitute for this would make lots of people really happy."

Journal Reference:
Alfredo Giménez-Cassina, Juan Ramón Martínez-François, Jill K. Fisher, Benjamin Szlyk, Klaudia Polak, Jessica Wiwczar, Geoffrey R. Tanner, Andrew Lutas, Gary Yellen, Nika N. Danial. BAD-Dependent Regulation of Fuel Metabolism and KATP Channel Activity Confers Resistance to Epileptic Seizures. Neuron, 2012; 74 (4): 719 DOI: 10.1016/j.neuron.2012.03.032

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Old Thu, May-24-12, 05:33
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Don't you love the way they think... rather than recognize that the ketogenic diet has benefits that go well beyond serving the epileptic population, they solely concentrate on how to create a new drug to allow the epileptics to eat more carbs.
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Old Thu, May-24-12, 15:12
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Okay, so let's say they invent this drug with the benefit of making you burn ketones instead of carbs without eating a low carb diet. But then what happens to all those unburned carbs you ate? Body fat? Or worse, liver fat?
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Oh, the irony. The diet works. But hey, if we can recreate that with a drug, we can make more money for Big Pharma AND continue to put money in the pocket of Big Food by allowing people to still eat all that processed crap! :P

Following a ketogenic diet is NOT HARD. It's only hard if you're conditioned to believe that you need carbs.
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The ketogenic diet for epilepsy is not the typical low-carb diet most of us eat here. It's overly complicated, precisely measured, and generally difficult to maintain. Also it's prescribed by a doctor and monitored by a dietician. The idea behind the ketogenic diet for epilepsy is to cause a state of starvation where brain cells use ketones instead of glucose for fuel. That's what they say anyway. As we know here, inducing ketosis is as easy as cutting out carbs and increasing fat. Also, the depth of ketosis of the ketogenic diet for epilepsy and a typical low-carb diet is just about the same. No need for all the hoohaa, doctors or precise measurements. Though an instruction book - like DANDR for example - certainly helps.

http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/tr..._ketogenic_diet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_carb_diet
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Low-carbohydrate diets or low-carb diets are dietary programs that restrict carbohydrate consumption usually for weight control or for the treatment of obesity. Foods high in digestible carbohydrates (e.g. bread, pasta) are limited or replaced with foods containing a higher percentage of proteins and fats (e.g. meat, poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs, cheese, nuts, seeds and peanuts) and other foods low in carbohydrates (e.g. most salad vegetables), although other vegetables and fruits (especially berries) are often allowed. The amount of carbohydrate allowed varies with different low-carbohydrate diets.

Such diets are sometimes ketogenic (i.e. they restrict carbohydrate intake sufficiently to cause ketosis). The Induction phase of the Atkins diet.[1][2][3] is ketogenic.

I will go as far to say that if a low-carb diet does not induce ketosis to some degree, it's not low-carb enough.
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It always amazes me how anti-science this site can be. Do you really think that it is not important to know the pathway by which a ketonic diet can suppress epilepsy in some cases? And do you ride such a moral highhorse regarding low carb diets that you think some little kid should be forced to follow one?
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There will always be those unwilling to be on a highly ketogenic diet for life. A drug might be the only option for them. I'm definitely not against research that will lead to a better understanding of the disease and something that might help people.

These people are also saying they realize diet sounds like the wholesome way to treat the disease, but diets are hard. Damn right they are! Especially the sort of ketogenic diet they usually give to epileptics. It's a lot different than Atkins.

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"Diet sounds like this wholesome way to treat seizures, but it's very hard. I mean, diets in general are hard, and this diet is really hard," said Yellen, whose wife's Center for Dietary Therapy in Epilepsy hosts a candy-free Halloween party for its many patients on the ketogenic diet. "So finding a pharmacological substitute for this would make lots of people really happy."

Kudos to them.
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According to the Epilepsy Foundation, the diet is 80% fat, the rest carbs and protein. I do that routinely.
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It always amazes me how anti-science this site can be. Do you really think that it is not important to know the pathway by which a ketonic diet can suppress epilepsy in some cases? And do you ride such a moral highhorse regarding low carb diets that you think some little kid should be forced to follow one?


I'm not anti-science, I'm anti-Big Pharma. I think it's great if they can find out how this sort of thing works, and I like to see them figuring out solutions -- it could potentially benefit a lot of people. But I hate how more often than not it seems to lead to an inevitable pathway of "how can we turn this into a pill?" And that's not even because I'm anti-pills per se, but rather that I see how that often leads inevitably to "if I take that pill, I can eat whatever I want!"

I believe proper dietary interventions are a much more holistic solution to a large number of medical problems than pill + continued junk diet. And I believe that's every bit as true for little kids as it is for adults. I know of countless kids who are living healthy, happy and with a greater enjoyment of life on paleo or low carb diets (more than anything diets that emphasize whole foods) and who don't even realise they're "missing out" or "being forced" into it. And I know of a lot of kids suffering (often with health problems that these days we assume are "normal" for kids) because people think they're being deprived if they don't get ice cream and cookies.

Unfortunately, too much reading has turned me into a roaring cynic, so I'm more apt to roll my eyes at media articles than I am to see the good side of them, these days.

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My neighbor's 5-year-old son was diagnosed with absence seizures, which are a form of epilepsy. The doctor spoke to her about trying a ketogenic diet, but then said it would probably be too hard for her to do. When I tried to encourage her to give it a try, she said, "No, my little guy likes his candy and soda too much for me to make him give them up. We'll just do the medicine."

I wonder if the doctor had been more enthusiastic about it, if she would be thinking about it differently.
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According to the Epilepsy Foundation, the diet is 80% fat, the rest carbs and protein. I do that routinely.
And everyone in the world is exactly like you! That makes it so simple.

The diet they recommend for kids is VERY restrictive and not very palatable. I think they're also calorie restricted. The level of ketosis they go after is much higher than what a typical LC dieter achieves. They emphasize a drinking a LOT of cream. This sort of thing is VERY foreign to someone that hasn't been indoctrinated into LC like we have been.

http://www.diet.com/g/ketogenic-diets

Breakfast: egg with bacon, made with heavy whipping cream and butter, plus an apple
Snack: peanut butter mixed with butter
Lunch: tuna salad made with celery, mayonnaise, and heavy whipping cream, served with lettuce
Snack: keto yogurt (made with heavy whipping cream, sour cream, strawberries, and artificial sweetener)
Dinner: cheeseburger with lettuce and green beans
Snack: keto custard (heavy whipping cream, egg, and pure unsweetened vanilla flavoring)

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It always amazes me how anti-science this site can be. Do you really think that it is not important to know the pathway by which a ketonic diet can suppress epilepsy in some cases? And do you ride such a moral highhorse regarding low carb diets that you think some little kid should be forced to follow one?

I think it's important to know how it works, but I think it's eminently more important to know that it works.
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My neighbor's 5-year-old son was diagnosed with absence seizures, which are a form of epilepsy. The doctor spoke to her about trying a ketogenic diet, but then said it would probably be too hard for her to do. When I tried to encourage her to give it a try, she said, "No, my little guy likes his candy and soda too much for me to make him give them up. We'll just do the medicine."

I wonder if the doctor had been more enthusiastic about it, if she would be thinking about it differently.

That particular attitude from the parent is often seen in dying cancer patients when told to cut down on the sugar. Convinced of the inevitability of the outcome, such a simple solution couldn't possibly make any difference, and even if it did, the price would be too high both for the kid and for the parent. Not having any kids, I wonder if I too would refuse to apply the tough love method for the sake of my kid's health. Tough love would be to deprive that kid's happiness in order to make him healthy. I can't help but think the kid could be much happier too if he didn't have so many seizures.
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The diet they recommend for kids is VERY restrictive and not very palatable. I think they're also calorie restricted. The level of ketosis they go after is much higher than what a typical LC dieter achieves. They emphasize a drinking a LOT of cream. This sort of thing is VERY foreign to someone that hasn't been indoctrinated into LC like we have been.

http://www.diet.com/g/ketogenic-diets

Breakfast: egg with bacon, made with heavy whipping cream and butter, plus an apple
Snack: peanut butter mixed with butter
Lunch: tuna salad made with celery, mayonnaise, and heavy whipping cream, served with lettuce
Snack: keto yogurt (made with heavy whipping cream, sour cream, strawberries, and artificial sweetener)
Dinner: cheeseburger with lettuce and green beans
Snack: keto custard (heavy whipping cream, egg, and pure unsweetened vanilla flavoring)

Ketosis is tightly regulated. It would not be allowed to rise much more above what anybody can do with low-carb. That's partly why the ketostix stops registering much ketones in urine once we're keto-adapted. So it doesn't really matter what level of ketosis they go after, they'll never get it higher than what the body can handle normally. If they truly wanted to go for a much higher level of ketosis, they could just make the kid diabetic type 1, and they'll get the ketoacidosis level of ketosis.
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And everyone in the world is exactly like you! That makes it so simple.

The diet they recommend for kids is VERY restrictive and not very palatable. I think they're also calorie restricted. The level of ketosis they go after is much higher than what a typical LC dieter achieves. They emphasize a drinking a LOT of cream. This sort of thing is VERY foreign to someone that hasn't been indoctrinated into LC like we have been.

http://www.diet.com/g/ketogenic-diets

Breakfast: egg with bacon, made with heavy whipping cream and butter, plus an apple
Snack: peanut butter mixed with butter
Lunch: tuna salad made with celery, mayonnaise, and heavy whipping cream, served with lettuce
Snack: keto yogurt (made with heavy whipping cream, sour cream, strawberries, and artificial sweetener)
Dinner: cheeseburger with lettuce and green beans
Snack: keto custard (heavy whipping cream, egg, and pure unsweetened vanilla flavoring)

I remember reading somewhere that the protein level in the keto diet for epilepsy is very tightly regulated to avoid protein being converted into sugar, so I find it interesting that apples are on the menu, something so high in sugar! I wonder if there is some purpose for the sugar at breakfast?
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