Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Low-Carb Studies & Research / Media Watch > LC Research/Media
User Name
Password
FAQ Members Calendar Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16   ^
Old Mon, Apr-19-04, 18:10
Monika4 Monika4 is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 989
 
Plan: South beach (modified)
Stats: 185/154/150 Female 5' 6"
BF:
Progress: 89%
Location: Michigan
Default another study

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tornado
Angeline, tofi and mcsblues, please post a link to the studies you mentioned that demonstrate a low carbohydrate diet leads to greater weight loss than low fat diets for equal (or more) calories consumed......


I hadn't seen the one posted but this one makes the same point - it finally convinced me to start on low carb. PUBMED lists an unusual number of comments on it - we don't need to guess what they will say, do we? In any case, this study shows that the low carbers lost MORE on FEWER calories - even if it evened out - statistically - after one year. Highlights are mine. They don't have the calorie count in the abstract. Although they state in the abstract that adherence was poor - true - the drop out rate on Atkins was (nonsignificantly) less than on low fat.

N Engl J Med. 2003 May 22;348(21):2082-90.
Comment in:
* N Engl J Med. 2003 May 22;348(21):2057-8.
* N Engl J Med. 2003 May 22;348(21):2136-7.
* N Engl J Med. 2003 Sep 4;349(10):1000-2; author reply 1000-2.
* N Engl J Med. 2003 Sep 4;349(10):1000-2; author reply 1000-2.


A randomized trial of a low-carbohydrate diet for obesity.
Foster GD, Wyatt HR, Hill JO, McGuckin BG, Brill C, Mohammed BS, Szapary PO, Rader DJ, Edman JS, Klein S.
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, Philadelphia, PA 19104-3309, USA. fosterg~mail.med.upenn.edu

BACKGROUND: Despite the popularity of the low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat (Atkins) diet, no randomized, controlled trials have evaluated its efficacy. METHODS: We conducted a one-year, multicenter, controlled trial involving 63 obese men and women who were randomly assigned to either a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet or a low-calorie, high-carbohydrate, low-fat (conventional) diet. Professional contact was minimal to replicate the approach used by most dieters. RESULTS: Subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet had lost more weight than subjects on the conventional diet at 3 months (mean [+/-SD], -6.8+/-5.0 vs. -2.7+/-3.7 percent of body weight; P=0.001) and 6 months (-7.0+/-6.5 vs. -3.2+/-5.6 percent of body weight, P=0.02), but the difference at 12 months was not significant (-4.4+/-6.7 vs. -2.5+/-6.3 percent of body weight, P=0.26). After three months, no significant differences were found between the groups in total or low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations. The increase in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentrations and the decrease in triglyceride concentrations were greater among subjects on the low-carbohydrate diet than among those on the conventional diet throughout most of the study. Both diets significantly decreased diastolic blood pressure and the insulin response to an oral glucose load. CONCLUSIONS: The low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss (absolute difference, approximately 4 percent) than did the conventional diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant at one year. The low-carbohydrate diet was associated with a greater improvement in some risk factors for coronary heart disease. Adherence was poor and attrition was high in both groups. Longer and larger studies are required to determine the long-term safety and efficacy of low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diets. Copyright 2003 Massachusetts Medical Society
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #17   ^
Old Mon, Apr-19-04, 20:11
MyJourney's Avatar
MyJourney MyJourney is offline
Butter Tastes Better
Posts: 5,201
 
Plan: Atkins OWL / IF-23/1 /BFL
Stats: 100/100/100 Female 5'6"
BF:
Progress: 34%
Location: SF Bay Area
Default

Quote:
In a study partially funded by the AMA, a prodigious literature review on articles in English on the efficacy and safety of lowcarbohydrate diets was performed by use of Medline and other searches for those articles published between Jan. 1, 1966, and Feb. 15, 2003. All 2,609 potentially relevant articles were perused. All but 107 articles on 94 studies on 3,268 subjects receiving 0-901 g/day of carbohydrates for four to 365 days were excluded, but the reasons for exclusion of so many of the trials were obscure.

Only five studiesñwhich were non-randomized and had no control groups lasted more than 90 days. ì...These [lowcarbohydrate] diets have not been adequately evaluated for use longer than 90 days, or for individuals aged 53 years or older, or for use by participants with hyperlipidemia, hypertension, or diabetes.î

Conclusions in the abstract, verbatim, are that ìThere is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants older than age 50, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d or less of carbohydrates. Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration, but not with reduced carbohydrate content.î Of the two main ìlow-carbohydrateî groups into which the trials were divided, the 60 g/d groups mean intake of carbohydrate was 29 g/d, and total energy intake of all foods was 1,446 kcal/day. In the >60 g/d group the mean intake of carbohydrate was 236 g/d, and total energy intake of all foods was 1,913 kcal/day (their Table 3). In all 11 books on low-carbohydrate diets examined by this writer, any intake exceeding about 150-200 g/d of total carbohydrate would not be considered lowcarbohydrate.

In the true low-carbohydrate group the mean weight loss in trials was 17 kg, while in the higher-carbohydrate group it was 2 kg (their Table 5). The authors do not consider this significant and attribute the result to the lower total caloric intake. This view has been falsified in several studies. For example, controlled trials in hospitals have shown that a diet of just 1,000 kcal/day that is 90% carbohydrate led to weight gain, and intakes of 1,000 to 2,600 kcal/day with a very low carbohydrate content led to weight loss.

Thus the conclusions should have been that low-carbohydrate diets are both safe and effective. Only by intermingling trials of low to medium and high-carbohydrate diets could the authors reach the conclusions quoted above.

Arecent one-year diet trial supposedly designed to evaluate the Atkins diet examined 63 subjects, of whom the 33 assigned to the Atkins diet were given a copy of Atkinsís 2002 book and instructed to follow it, including no restriction on the amount of fat and protein. The 30 assigned to the low-fat diet ñ 60% carbohydrates, 25% fat, 15% protein by fuel values ñ were restricted to 1,200- 1,500 kcal/day for women and 1,500-1,800 kcal/day for men, definitely a slimming diet. Conclusions in the abstract, verbatim, are: ìThe low-carbohydrate diet produced a greater weight loss (absolute difference, approximately 4%) than did the conventional diet for the first six months, but the differences were not significant at one year...î All subjects met with a registered dietician four times. Since registered dieticians are indoctrinated by the American Dietetic Association to promote high-carbohydrate diets, this variable was not properly controlled, since the controls would have had reinforcement (placebo effect) and low-carbohydrate subjects would not (nocebo effect).

In addition, subjects were excluded if they were ill, had noninsulin dependent diabetes (NIDDM), were taking lipid-lowering medications or ones that affect body weight, or were pregnant or lactating. In other words, many subjects who would have benefited the most from the Atkins diet were excluded; this was the most serious fault in the trial design. Nevertheless, there was more weight loss among subjects on the Atkins diet, highly significant at 3 and 6 months, but claimed not to be significant at 12 months using all participants, including those who did not complete the study, but whose values were extrapolated to 12 months so as to show nonsignificance.

The absolute weight loss difference was actually 3% between groups, favoring the low-carbohydrate group, at 12 months, among those actually completing the study, and this was shown as significant in their Fig. 1B. Low-carbohydrate dieters had increased high-density lipoproteins (HDL) and decreased triglycerides (TG). Adherence was poor and attrition high in both
groups, but attrition was less in the low-carbohydrate group. More trials were recom-mended, and all the usual discredited shibboleths about low-carbohydrate diets were resurrected ñ kidney and liver damage, higher cholesterol intake ñ including the unfounded concerns about saturated fat consumption.
http://www.aapsonline.org/jpands/vol9no1/kauffman.pdf

Last edited by Karen : Tue, Apr-20-04 at 10:35. Reason: Removed double spacing
Reply With Quote
  #18   ^
Old Tue, Apr-20-04, 13:04
DebPenny's Avatar
DebPenny DebPenny is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 1,514
 
Plan: TSP/PPLP/low-cal/My own
Stats: 250/209/150 Female 63.5 inches
BF:
Progress: 41%
Location: Sacramento, CA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mcsblues
Tornado, the best (and easiest lol) thing I can do is refer you to Anthony Colpo's site.[sic]

http://www.theomnivore.com/commonmy...wcarbdiets.html
[sic]
.. - check out paragraph 2 - all the references are at the bottom.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Colpo
The origins of this theory can be traced back to the early 1900's, when Russian researcher M.A. Ignatovsky induced fatty deposit build-up in rabbit arteries by feeding them large amounts of animal foods.


Thanks, Malcolm. I've seen references to the rabbit test before. It's usually sited as the most damnning study against saturated fat. Anthony Colpo effectively debunks it.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Study: Fasting as beneficial as counting calories BuffaloSue LC Research/Media 3 Tue, Apr-29-03 11:22
New study on low carb v. low fat.... whyspers LC Research/Media 13 Thu, Apr-17-03 12:09
CCARB Study Elihnig LC Research/Media 1 Sun, Feb-02-03 18:00
New Study on CLA tamarian LC Research/Media 0 Tue, Jul-24-01 11:26


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 13:24.


Copyright © 2000-2024 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.