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Old Mon, May-03-04, 04:45
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Default Can Only The Rich Afford To Be Thin?

Can only the rich afford to be thin?
By Nanci Hellmich, USA TODAY

Like millions of Americans, Christine Davies would like to lose a little weight. The 37-year-old paralegal from Tacoma, Wash., says she's 30 pounds heavier than she should be.
And like millions of Americans, she has experimented with whatever is the diet du jour. But in each case, not for long. It wasn't just the discipline required. It was the price tag. (Related item: Diet plans are budget busters)

"I tried both the Atkins and South Beach diets, but pound for pound, protein is a lot more expensive than carbs," she says. "The South Beach diet recommends fish about three times a week. I'd have to eat canned tuna three times a week to afford it, and I get tired of eating the same foods.

"Plus, you have to cook everything yourself," she says. "Following it on a day-to-day schedule would be completely impossible because of the complexity of the recipes and the cost of the foods."

She'll get little argument from Phil Lempert, one of the nation's leading experts on food prices and grocery-store shopping. Using exclusive data from AC Nielsen and menus from the best-selling diet books, Lempert calculates that strict adherence to the low-carb, meat lovers' Atkins diet would cost about $100 a week (presuming you eat all meals at home). The salmon-rich South Beach diet priced out at almost $90 a week.

Too expensive for you? Make substitutions

Some experts with the Atkins and South Beach diets say there are ways to pare down the cost of following those plans, although it may require eating the same foods more often.
The trick is to make trade-offs.

Marie Almon, a registered dietitian who works with cardiologist Arthur Agatston, author of The South Beach Diet, suggests that cost-conscious dieters:

• Use the recipes with chicken breasts instead of the ones with salmon and orange roughy.

• Buy a deep green lettuce that's on sale instead of endive and mixed greens.

• Use lean boiled ham instead of Canadian bacon.

• Substitute less expensive fresh or frozen vegetables such as green beans for more costly ones.

Colette Heimowitz, a nutritionist for the Atkins companies, says adherents to that plan can trim costs by using lower-cost proteins, such as tofu, eggs, stews and cheaper cuts of chicken and meats.

And no matter what diet you're on, whether one of the trendy plans or a more tradional weight-loss program, it probably will be less expensive if you cook at home. "You can cook for so much less, and you can provide a much better diet for your family," says Marilyn Townsend, a nutrition specialist at the University of California-Davis.

She blames some of Americans' weight problems on lack of cooking ability. Still, she concedes, given the pressures of earning a living and keeping a house, "cooking is not on many people's radar as a valuable skill."

That's far more than the $35 that Davies spends at the grocery store each week to feed herself.

And it's not just fad diets that can be costly. Some traditional weight-loss and good-nutrition diets recommended by major health groups emphasize lean meat, fish and a wide variety of fresh fruits and vegetables, all pretty pricey for Davies, who feeds a family of four, including two children, ages 10 and 4, and a stay-at-home husband, on a pasta-and-hot-dogs food budget.

To help ends meet on a $42,000-a-year salary ($26,000 after taxes and health insurance premiums), she shops at several stores to get the best food prices. But salmon is $4 to $7 a pound, compared with hot dogs for $1 a pound. She sticks to lower-priced fruits such as apples and bananas, rarely splurging on berries, grapes, peaches or plums.

Bottom line: Dieting is too expensive for Davies and millions of Americans like her. Nutrition experts are beginning to worry that America's war on obesity might be lost because, for many people, it costs too much — in time and in money.

"The rich can afford to be thin in America, and the poor can't," says Barry Popkin, a nutrition professor at the school of public health at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

"If you make a decent income and decide to lose some weight, you can eat grilled chicken, salads and fresh mango, and play a little tennis," says Adam Drewnowski, director of the Center for Public Health Nutrition at the University of Washington-Seattle. "But a person in a lower-paying job or working two or three jobs is in no position to do that.

"To suggest to the lower middle class or poor that they eat a diet filled with foods like red snapper, radicchio, fresh tomatoes, baby lamb chops, olive oil and merlot wine is blatant economic elitism."

Lower income, overweight

Federal researchers are studying the relationship between lower incomes and higher percentages of overweight, but some government statistics already show that link:

About 60.5% of people who earn $15,000 to $75,000 are overweight or obese, compared with 56% of people who earn more than $75,000, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's 2002 Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, a large state-based telephone system in which 250,000 participants report their own weight and height. (When adults are actually weighed and measured, about 65% of people overall weigh too much.)

The disparity is even more obvious when it comes to obesity (30 or more pounds overweight), according to the National Health Interview Survey from 1999 to 2001. For people below the poverty level, which was then defined as anyone with an annual household income of less than about $17,000, about 26% were obese, compared with 18% of those with incomes of $67,000 or more.

Drewnowski, who reviewed the latest research and published a review article on the subject in the January issue of American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, is not surprised.

"What's really cheap are foods made with refined flour, added sugar and corn syrup and added fat." People with limited income, he says, "buy foods that fill them up, and who's to blame them? They get the most calories for their money."

Indeed, calorie per calorie, chips are usually cheaper than fresh asparagus; bulk cookies are less expensive than raspberries. Sure, rice and beans are inexpensive, Drewnowski says. "But it's kind of patrician to say, 'The rich can eat a diet high in antioxidants with lots of vegetables and salmon, but for everyone else, rice and beans are good enough.' "

Beyond pricing, access also could be a problem for people who are not as well off. Numerous studies have found that grocery stores in lower-income areas offer far fewer healthful food options.

'Food deserts'

Troy Blanchard, an assistant professor of sociology at Mississippi State University in Starkville, did an analysis that examined where large supermarkets and super-center stores are located in comparison with the U.S. population and found pockets of what he describes as "food deserts" — some in inner-city neighborhoods, but some in more generalized areas. He cites, for example, a large swath from North Dakota down through West Texas as having many major "food deserts."

People who live in these "deserts" typically need to drive or take a bus for a half-hour or more to get to a major store; otherwise they need to rely on small grocery stores, convenience markets and "hybrid gas stations" where they choose from a smaller selection of food items at higher prices, Blanchard says. The stores may have hot dogs, fried chicken, doughnuts, deli meats, frozen pizza, pork rinds, candy and some canned foods, but they don't have many — if any — fresh fruits and vegetables.

Most of the poor in America live in urban areas and have "crummy" grocery stores where they often pay more for poorer-quality food, Popkin says.

What's on the menu?

And that pretty much puts the nation's most popular diets out of reach. One day's menu on the South Beach diet, for example, includes fresh strawberries, Mediterranean chicken salad, spinach-stuffed salmon fillet, tossed salad with olive oil, and chocolate-dipped strawberries.

One day on the Atkins 45-grams-of-carbs-a-day plan includes tomato stuffed with shrimp salad, braised short ribs, Canadian bacon, raspberries and a green salad with vinaigrette. Hardly the kinds of items you'd find in a convenience market.

Still, Davies says, cost may be the biggest hurdle for most people trying to win the battle of the bulge. And no new academic study or government statistics are likely to convince her otherwise.

"There's a perception that people spend their food budget on processed foods such as cans of Spaghettios and boxes of macaroni and cheese because they are too lazy to eat healthy. But I think people would eat a lot healthier if they could afford to purchase fresh foods."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifest...iet-cover_x.htm
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Old Mon, May-03-04, 04:49
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Diet plans: Budget busters
By Nanci Hellmich, USA TODAY

Taking a few inches off your waist can also take a good chunk out of your pocketbook — especially if you go with the wildly popular Atkins or South Beach diet. "Be prepared to dip into your budget," grocery guru Phil Lempert warns.

Phil Lempert is the author of Being the Shopper: Understanding the Buyer's Choice.
By Bob Riha Jr., USA TODAY

USA TODAY asked Lempert to calculate the cost for a dieter to stick to the meal plans on the low-carb Atkins program and the fish-and-fowl-rich South Beach diet. For comparison purposes, he also analyzed the cost of following the government's Thrifty Food Plan, which was created by the Department of Agriculture not for weight loss but to help budget-conscious consumers meet the nutritional recommendations of the Food Guide Pyramid and the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. (Related item: Can only the rich afford to be thin?)

Using national grocery store data provided exclusively by AC Nielsen and his own supermarket research, Lempert analyzed the first three days of meal plans from Atkins for Life by Robert C. Atkins, three days of meals from Phase 2 of The South Beach Diet by Arthur Agatston, and three days of the Thrifty Food Plan. In each case, his calculations were based on the cost for one person to cook all meals at home.

A caveat: Food prices vary among regions and supermarkets, and measurements of ingredients aren't always precise, but Lempert's totals should give dieters a realistic idea of how big a bite their diet will take from their grocery budget.

When a specific brand of a product was not given in the meal plan, Lempert used store and generic brands to keep costs down. He also cut costs by, among other things, using the price of farm-raised salmon instead of wild salmon.

His findings:

• The Atkins diet's ongoing weight-loss phase (45 grams of carbs a day) averaged $14.27 a day, ranging from $11.04 to $15.97.

• South Beach diet's Phase 2 averaged $12.78 a day, ranging from $11.16 to $14.90.

• The Thrifty Food Plan from the USDA (www.cnpp.usda.gov/Pubs/Cookbook/thriftym.pdf) averaged $6.22 a day, ranging from $6 to $6.61. (The government's calculation is slightly lower.)

"The more I've worked on this, the more it has really become apparent that our obesity problem in the U.S. is directly linked to the fact that eating foods that are healthy or in this case lower carb costs more," Lempert says. "It's hard for lower-income and middle-income people to be on these diets. We need to help this population eat healthier."

The salmon-based dinners on the Atkins and South Beach menus, for example, are far more expensive than the ground beef and noodle casserole in the government's diet. Also, the olive oil, berries, fresh vegetables and wide variety of other ingredients in the recipes for these programs cost more than the fruits and vegetables used in the government plan, he says.

For families of modest means who want to try the trendy diets, Lempert suggests trade-offs:

• Use frozen fish instead of fresh.

• Use frozen fruits and vegetables instead of fresh. Frozen produce is often packed at the peak of freshness and also will taste better than out-of-season produce.

• Use canola oil instead of olive oil when cooking.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifest...ping-guru_x.htm
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Old Mon, May-03-04, 08:00
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Especially when you eat macaroni and cheese and hotdogs. But, they make it sound in those articles like you have to eat high gourmet every day. Admittedly, I get into a food rut very easily and I'm very happy with it, but, I think it's possible to eat low-carb healthily and relatively inexpensively and with variety.

I live in California where food prices are high. Before low-carbing I was spending about $50 a week on groceries and that was buying the least expensive, high-carb food I could find -- why spend money on good food when all it does is make you miserable. Now I spend about $60 a week and am eating low-carb, whole foods that are making/keeping me healthy.

The only thing I really had to adjust was the time I spend cooking. And I think when it comes down to it, that's a bigger complaint than the expense. But again, I seem to have a lot more time now that I have the energy that low-carbing has given me.

My strategies for cutting costs and simplifying food preparation include:
  • buying chicken when it's cheap and freezing it (and I prefer thighs),
  • buying beef at a local butcher shop (his prices are about 30% lower than the grocery stores and his meat is better),
  • roasting up a bunch of chicken thighs every couple weeks and freezing them for lunches,
  • buying my frozen wild salmon at Trader Joe's where I get it for about 2/3 the price of the "fresh," farm-raised salmon at the grocery store,
  • making my own chorizo (lower cost, lower fat, fewer miscellaneous parts ),
  • and buying romaine hearts for my salads -- they're less expensive than the prepared salads but quick and easy to prepare and about the healthiest of salad greens.

As far as the menus in the books go, they are trying to show that their diets can be varied and interesting and they are trying to impress readers. I have yet to read a diet menu (low-fat or low-carb) that is not unrealistic for the average dieter. What they really need to do is show easy menus that are practical. Especially when their menus and recipes use 1/4 of a perishable gourmet item than you may not use again before the remaining 3/4 goes bad.

What I really agree with is the issue of access. I live in Sacramento, CA, and we have a lot of choices, including lots of ethnic grocery stores where I like to get Chinese longbeans and other specialty items for occassional treats. But my parents, who are full-time RVers have seen as they travel the country that it is very difficult somtimes to find good LC foods.
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Old Mon, May-03-04, 08:22
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This made me chuckle:

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"Plus, you have to cook everything yourself," she says.


As opposed to... what, hiring a chef?

It bugs me that they're approaching this from the Atkins/SBD angle. To heck with weight loss dieting - cheap, processed, carby foods aren't particularly good for anyone, period. Everyone should be eating more whole foods, whether they're LCing or not.
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What a bunch of hooey! It costs me maybe $50-60 a week for groceries. More if I buy spendy low carb products, but I don't buy many of them.
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Fast food is way more expensive in my opinion. I was a fast food junkie. There are excuses for everything. Being healthy and loosing weight is well worth the price. Think of the alternative.
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Admittedly, if I had the money I'd be eating filet migon every night instead of the family size pack of pork chops! I have noticed that my food bill has gone up anywhere from $50 - $75 dollars a week. I also take into consideration the fact that if I didn't have my appetite under control, I'd be spending that same money on vending machines and fast food fixes. Not to mention the money spent in buying more clothes because I can't fit into anything anymore. This WOL will end up paying for itself in the long run because of the health benefits and decreased appetite. I barely make 30K a year (BEFORE taxes) and my bf makes $8 per hour AND we have a 4-yr old son and you know what? - all of our bills are paid and we still have money left over. I would consider myself poor if I couldn't even make ends meet. My credit is fine, my debts are few and we are happy.
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Old Mon, May-03-04, 09:27
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To heck with weight loss dieting - cheap, processed, carby foods aren't particularly good for anyone, period. Everyone should be eating more whole foods, whether they're LCing or not.


Agreed.

DH and I live on $9,000 a year currently (no that's not a typo ) and we do quite well with our low-carb shopping. We do go to several stores a week for the best prices and eat simply, but it's good food that I always look forward to eating. Plus, I spend less time in the grocery store salivating over new carbage products or trying to work a bag of Oreos into the budget.
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I find my DH and I eat out less often, simply because I've learned to grill a steak, toss some butter on the veggies, pour some dressing on a salad, and mix up low carb drinks.

And it's so good! Okay, so now I'm "cooking" but it's not that hard and tastes so much better than 99% of our alternatives, like fast food or mac & cheese.

And not that expensive. Especially when you consider that I'm not picking up $3 boxes of cookies and $5 pies any more.
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We spend more now than before low carb. We do a lot of chicken recipes, and a lot of hamburger ones. Steak or roasts or pork loin are the variety we throw in. Like others here, we buy in bulk when meat is on sale. We also religiously eat breakfast -- something we didn't do before.

There isn't any real way to replace the spaghetti and Ragu sauce meals we used to have. Heck, I love rice, and I could literally eat just rice for a meal if it was a good wild rice. Those were dirt-cheap. Good veggies and meat will definitely cost more.
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Actually my shopping bill is cheaper now than it was prior to low carbing. Why? Well, I no longer buy loads of junk, pre-packaged meals, etc etc
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I live in teh food desert mentioned.. It's sad but true that we have to drive a loooooong way to go to a "real" store with variety and better prices. Most often (and our little grocery store just re-opened after being shut down all winter...) we can "choose" between bagged iceburg lettuce or a head of it. They try to get in other things, but have to charge accordingly. The bag of baby spinach that sells for $1.19 at the big supermarket will sell for almost $3 here, IF they have it. Steak, this week.... Top Sirloin $1.99/lb on sale at the supermarket...$3.79 a lb here. That head of plain ol' iceburg lettuce 59cents at the supermarket, $1.69 here.

Even with the price of gas, it still pays to make the long trip sometimes, since that's where my son goes to the doctor. Too bad lettuce and such are so hard to KEEP FRESH. <sigh>

I'm contemplating a garden this year, which should help.
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I think its silly, 46k and she is complaining why? *shakes head* anyways I have a 200 a month spending budget (food and person expenses gass ect) so I spend about 35 maybe a week on food, sure I eat alot of the same things but I did when I was not low carbing too in fact I think I spend less on food now because I used to live off frozen meals (I am having to learn to cook! lol so this woe is helping in more ways then one)
planted a garden and already got bell peppers and tomato's almost ready to pick just cost a few bucks for seeds & a little watering / weeding time every day
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We go to the meat bargain bin and look through that carefully.
We also are realizing that we don't have to eat HUGE amounts of meat ect.
The protien requirement doesn't change with low carb/the fat to carb ratio does..
The poster on this thread that said they eat "simply" have nailed the beauty of this on the nail.
For me that might mean quite a few eggs, canned tuna ect as they are cheap.
But you don't have to buy expensive meat.
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If I restricted myself to eggs, whole chickens, a bit of cream, and a few lower-priced vegetables, I could eat low-carb on a very small budget.

But I prefer a bigger variety and I also like beef, pork, shrimp, nuts, and more expensive veggies. I'd guess my food bill is $100-$250 higher per month on low-carb, depending.
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