Sat, Apr-10-04, 09:02
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Plan: SPII IS/BOAG
Stats: 186/136/140
BF:A lot/18%/20%
Progress: 109%
Location: Jackson, MS
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Also, how long have you been at that exercise schedule? I know exactly the kind of tiredness you're talking about -- I call it "black hole" tiredness, because it's like I can't get enough food to fill up or sleep to feel rested -- and for me it's the first symptom of overtraining. If that's the case, or if you even think it might be the case, lay off the exercise and eat maintenance for one to two weeks, and see if you feel better afterwards. I know what you mean about feeling like you're eating a lot as is, because I'm a big eater myself, and consider weight-loss level to be roughly 1800 cals and 35-50g (plus 1g/lb protein); that's hardly starvation, but it's still a good bit below maintenance levels, which are more like 2200 cals and 80g for me. Make sure you're getting plenty of sleep, too -- one of the chief reasons I'm always struggling with overtraining and cortisol problems is inadequate sleep and excess stress. You can only stress your body in so many ways at one time, y'know? I can function on too little sleep, or I can push myself to the max in the gym, or I can restrict my food intake, or even two of those at once, but I can't do all three for a long time. I can get away with it for 2-3 months, but then I start to crash, and I have to take a few days off and then spend some more time working out but eating maintenance. I get the tiredness and hunger (especially for protein/red meat) first, and then start seeing performance losses in the gym. Does that set off any lightbulbs with you?
If you aren't willing to take a week or two off the gym, just raising your calories and carbs to maintenance levels for a while will probably help a bit. But I'd seriously encourage you to take a rest unless you're 100% sure it's NOT a cortisol management thing, because overtraining is *no fun*. If you keep trying to work through the tiredness, you will only make it worse, and you'll eventually wind up getting sick or injured -- I nearly wound up in the hospital last winter with a sinus infection that I couldn't seem to fight off, because I was just too worn down. Also, the longer you try to work through it, the longer you will eventually have to take off exercising and eat maintenance to recover, which doesn't do much for your weight loss.
This thread about cortisol understanding and management has a lot of good information in it about the signs and symptoms of overtraining.
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