Don't hold back - tell us how you really feel about these new diet meals!

About the protein content, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there's even less protein in them than in the Lean Cuisines - I mean the RDA for protein keeps dropping, so it won't take much to be able to label it as high protein... probably even less protein than a Lean Cuisine.


The name is pretty stupid sounding, but I figured that Vital Pursuit must be referring to all the vitality you're convinced you'll have when you reach your goal weight from the GLP-1 drugs - and goal weight is what you're pursuing. And somehow these itty-bitty meals will have enough protein in them to prevent the muscle loss associated with the drugs.

Weird name for diet meals though - sounds more like it should be a trade name for the drugs themselves. So yeah, surely they could have come up with something better, even if it was condescending and utterly stupid too.

PT Barnum is often cited as saying, “There's a sucker born every minute” (or something like that).

For those of us who know that with every drug, comes a side effect, most of which are undesirable — we will abstain unless absolutely necessary, and all else fails.

It might not even be that someone is incapable of critical/independent thinking. If they are not mature about their emotional regulation, and aware of how this affects their decision making.

Especially when there is so much disordered eating, used as a coping mechanism, and the big mistake is not developing more variety of coping strategies. A book about treating addictions once emphasized how much addictions simplify the addict's life. But it also infantilizes, trapping them from even forming the idea of changing their behaviors.

Whatever people need to give them the space to grow up, that's what will work. Getting the great feedback from my body about lowering carbs kept me on plan, or got me back on plan.

"Feeling mentally and physically better" became my new coping skill, to replace the "goodies plan" which was all young me could come up with.

I grew up. I can do better. Which is how I did.

Photo of the thick bread sandwich in this story….

"It will be frozen meals that are high in protein, filled with fiber and contain essential nutrients. The products will range from bowls to pasta and sandwiches to pizza. All will be “portion-aligned” and some will be gluten-free or air-fryer ready."

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/trendin...uFWW3OJ-Mop9DPR

Looks like the same picture I saw on the original story about their new frozen meals.

I wonder if that's an actual sample of what they'll be selling, or if it's just a stock photo?

If that's really one of their "high protein meals" it's mostly bread - and based on what little bit of meat-like substance and cheese-like stuff is hanging over the sides of the tiny sandwich, it can't possibly have much protein at all in it. (I'm guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of about 12 g, and that's if you count every smidgen of protein in the bread and veggies too.)

Which they DO, of course. And with all the added foodlike ingredients IN the macro roundup, how much is even that?

Which is why I'm so skeptical of the macros on the package, and how it's a reminder to not buy packages. Unless they put the macros on my ground pork and brisket and eggs.

I'd like to know that.

They're required to count every bit of protein on the nutrition facts labels - just not required to mention that some of it might be from plant sources.

As it is now, they break down the fats into saturated fat, trans fats, and a whole separate line for cholesterol. Then the carbs get broken down into fiber, total sugar and added sugars.

But protein? They barely tell you how many g of protein there is in a serving - very few labels even list what percentage of the RDA for protein is in a product.

I wonder if there will ever be a day when they break down the protein content into animal sources and plant sources? I think vegans would appreciate knowing that none of the protein is from animal sources, and I know I'd appreciate knowing how much (if any) of the protein in the foods I choose are from plant sources.

Who knows? Might be something a vegan and I could actually agree on - that the label needs so show amounts of the protein source.

DOH! Yes, they do. I do buy things with labels, I need to pay better attention

CBC News · Posted: Jul 04, 2024 4:00 AM EDT
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/sn...abits-1.7253087

There's not really any room in the stomach for snack foods, unless you make snack foods your meal - which it IS entirely possible to do, as long as you're careful about how much sugar and fat there is in the snack food.

She could eat something like Belvita cookies for breakfast. She could eat pretzels for lunch. And she could eat the popcorn she used to snack on in the evenings as her dinner. They're all low in fat, low in sugars, and when on a GLP-1, they'll leave you feeling full enough until the next meal.

I just read something about Ozempic increasing the risk of blindness. It was in the local newspaper, and I haven't taken the time to go to pubmed to see what papers have been published.

If correct, one more reason to avoid drugs unless they are absolutely, positively necessary.

Weight loss can be had for amost all of us by finding which diet works for us, and stick by it.

For me, fewer than 2,000 calories per day, fewer than 25 carbs per day, and twice as much fat as protein. Note: That's for me, each of us has to find out what works for them.

I don't get to eat a lot of foods that I used to love, but good health is priceless.

I saw that too, forgot to bookmark it.

But I googled and the story seems to have hit many different news sources.

Here's a link to the JAMA info on it:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/ja...bstract/2820255

Thanks, Calianna, I read the study. Like the digestive paralysis, this is also a neuropathy. So this drug has more impact on the nervous system than generally realized.

Could explain how some people saw their mood disorders worsening, too. These drugs do have a mood warning about seeing your doctor.

Sometimes the cutting edge is the bleeding edge.

If it's brand new, and untested, give it time before you jump in.

It's very much like insulin. In a non-diabetic, the proper amount is produced to drive just enough sugar into cells. It's a life saver for T1 diabetics who produce little to no insulin at all to drive blood sugar into the cells, but in the massive doses required to control blood sugars for a T2 diabetic on a high carb diet, such high amounts are required to drive blood sugar into the cells, that it causes organ damage in the process.

The weight loss drugs have the same hormones that are triggered in our bodies when we eat to tell us our stomach is full. Normally, what the human body produces should be enough to send that signal to the brain indicating fullness. But so many bodies are completely out of whack on this hormone - there's no "full" signal. What has caused that lack of sufficient "full" signal is mostly down to diet - the food pyramid/my plate push to eat mostly carbs and very little satiating proteins and fats. The weight loss drugs provide larger amounts of those "fullness" hormones to send such strong fullness signals (in part by slowing down digestion) that you feel like you're going to hurl if you eat another bite.

It's no wonder that they are causing problems with digestive paralysis, and now blindness - if the naturally occurring hormones are affecting digestive nerves to make you feel full, then of course higher amounts of those hormones are going to affect those nerves even more. With more and more people taking the drugs, who knows what other nerves might also be permanently damaged by those hormones.

It's all about balance.

A little insulin (the right amount) is good and necessary, too much is damaging.

A little GLP-1 (the right amount) of GLP-1 is good, too much is damaging.

In both cases, it can almost always be controlled by diet - eat more protein and fat so you feel satiated, keeping your carb intake lower to keep from needing extra insulin, excess fat storage, or excess hunger, and you may never develop diabetes or obesity to begin with.