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Old Fri, Feb-28-03, 06:31
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What in the world are hidden carbs? How do you find out if the product has them? Do you then count them in your total for the day? Confused.

Davinci syrup has 0 calories, 0 carbs, do they have hidden carbs?
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At the top of the page under Low Carb Tools is the Hidden Carbs Inspector. If you put the information from the nutritional panel on a product into it, it will do the calculations and tell you if there are any hidden carbs.

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Another way to figure this out (in case you are at the grocery store and don't have access to the tool) is to multiply the fat grams by 9 and multiply the protein by 4 (a fat gram has 9 calories and a gram of protein has 4). If these two totals added together equal the calories in a product than there are no hidden carbs. Example:

Calories: 74
Fat: 6
Protein:5
Do the math:
6X9= 54
5X4= 20
54 + 20 = 74

If you get a number higher than the total calories the product lists, you have hidden carbs. Divide the difference by 4 (because that's how many calories are in a gram of carbs) to get the additional "hidden" carbs you will be getting per serving.
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True, but you also have to add in the carbohydrate total which is carbohydrates stated on the label x 4. Subtracting the fat and protein only will not tell you if there are any hidden carbohydrates, it will only tell you that what is leftover is carbohydrate.

But the calculations are a rough guide only. The x 4 and x 9 change, depending on the food.

So, it would actually look like this:

Total Calories 14.80
Total Carbohydrates 1.78 g x 4 = 7.12
Total Protein 1.56 g x 4 = 6.24
Total Fat 0.16 g x 9 = 1.44

If they all add up fairly closely to the calorie total you're fine. If there is a number greatly above the calorie total, there are either hidden carbs, or the manufacturer has presubtracted the fiber.

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Here is another way:

(Total Calories - Fat Calories - 4Protein)/4 = Carbs

I add 1 to the calories if the package says 0 calories (except for water or salt). This method should be more accurate IF THE LABEL IS TRUTHFULL. I have found that extremelly small serving sizes can throw off both equations. Excessive rounding is a major problem. Personally, I wish they'd go with tenths place percission or at least switch to milligrams if it has <1g.

4Protein means (Protein *4)
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Folks might also want to have a look at the USDA Food Composition FAQ's .. http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodco...letins/faq.html

In particular, this section:
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I multiplied protein, fat and carbohydrate values by 4-9-4, but my energy value is different from USDA's. Why?

Calorie values are based on the Atwater system for determining energy values. The factors used in the calculation of energy in the database are given in the food description file of the USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 13. The basis and derivation of these factors are described in

Merrill, A.L. and Watt, B.K. 1973. Energy Value of Foods...Basis and Derivation. Agriculture Handbook No. 74. U.S. Government Printing Office. Washington, DC. 105p.

This reference is out of print, but a scanned copy is viewable on our home page. It may also be available at many university libraries. The Atwater system uses specific energy factors which have been determined for basic food commodities. These specific factors take into account the physiological availability of the energy from these foods. The more general factors of 4-9-4 were developed from the specific calorie factors determined by Professor Atwater and associates. For multi-ingredient foods which are listed by brand name, calorie values generally reflect industry practices of calculating calories from 4-9-4 kcal/g for protein, fat, and carbohydrate, respectively, or from 4-9-4 minus insoluble fiber. The latter method is frequently used for high-fiber foods because insoluble fiber is considered to provide no physiological energy. If the calorie factors are blank or zero for an item in the Database, energy was calculated by recipe from ingredients or was supplied by the manufacturer.

The USDA clearly states that insoluble fiber is often pre-subtracted before calculating the calories in high-fiber foods. This really is more accurate, and is not a falsehood or trickery on the part of food manufacturers.

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