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Old Mon, Nov-18-02, 15:03
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Default MSNBC -- good article on Atkins

http://www.msnbc.com/news/836726.asp



Atkins diet beats low-fat fare

ASSOCIATED PRESS

Nov. 18 — Multitudes swear by the high-fat, low- carbohydrate Atkins diet, and now a carefully controlled study backs them up: Low-carb may actually take off more weight than low-fat and may be surprisingly better for cholesterol, too.

FOR YEARS, the Atkins formula of sparing carbohydrates and loading up on taboo fatty foods has been blasphemy to many in the health establishment, who view it as a formula for cardiovascular ruin.

But now, some of the same researchers who long scoffed at the diet are putting it to the test, and they say the results astonish them. Rather than making cholesterol soar, as they feared, the diet actually appears to improve it, and volunteers take off more weight.

Still, the number of overweight people studied this way is small, and the research does not examine possible long- term ills or advantages, including how long people keep the pounds off.

So for now, the researchers say that much more research is necessary before the Atkins diet can be given an across-the-board endorsement, but at least they believe it is safe enough to take into much larger studies.

ATKINS VS. AHA DIET

At least three formal studies of the Atkins diet have
been presented at medical conferences over the past year, and all have reached similar results. The latest, conducted by Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University, was presented Monday at the annual scientific meeting of the American Heart Association, long a stronghold of support for the traditional low-fat approach.

Westman, an internist at Duke’s diet and fitness center, said he decided to study the Atkins approach because of concern over so many patients and friends taking it up on their own. He approached the Robert C. Atkins foundation in New York City to finance the research.

Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association’s Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat.
“It was high fat, off the scale,” he said.

After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.

Total cholesterol fell slightly in both groups. However, those on the Atkins diet had an 11 percent increase in HDL, the good cholesterol, and a 49 percent drop in triglycerides. On the AHA diet, HDL was unchanged, and triglycerides dropped 22 percent. High triglycerides may raise the risk of heart disease.

While the volunteers’ total amounts of LDL, the bad cholesterol, did not change much on either diet, there was evidence that it had shifted to a form that may be less likely to clog the arteries.

CALL FOR LONG-TERM RESEARCH
“More study is necessary before such a diet can be recommended,” Westman said. “However, a concern about serum lipid (cholesterol) elevations should not impede such research.”

No single study is likely to change minds the issue, especially since an initial weight loss is hard to maintain on any diet. Some answers could come from a yearlong study being sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. That experiment, being directed by Dr. Gary Foster of the University of Pennsylvania, will test the Atkins diet on 360 patients.

In the meantime, the heart association’s president, Dr. Robert Bonow of Northwestern University, said the organization will reconsider the Atkins diet as more research results become available.
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Old Mon, Nov-18-02, 19:57
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Yea, I watch the report on NBC Nightly News. It was the first time that I saw a report that was boldly taking a pretty strong pro-Atkins stand! Of course there were the wishy washy phrases (ie. this is short term... longer term tests need to be done, etc.) but WOW--a major leap in the right direction! The president of the American Heart Association said that "the organization will reconsider the Atkins diet as more research results become available." I never thought I'd hear THAT from HIM!

It sort of implied that the half that followed the Atkins WOE did so at induction levels the entire time... Did anyone else get that impression? (It said they kept carb limits at less than 20 g of carbs per day.)
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 11:09
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They aired this on the Today Show this morning. Again, positive story, even the quotes from the AHA pres. who said essentially that they weren't against changing their stance, they just needed more information. However, there were still the misconceptions slid in there. The reporter made a passing comment at the very end about the lack of fruits and veggies on this plan. Someday they'll get it.
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 12:00
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They said that long term results are unknown. Duh! What are the long term results for being overweight and having high-cholesteral?
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 13:12
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I caught the piece on MSNBC his afternoon. Very good coverage. It was followed by an in-studio interview with Bonnie Brehm, who did the U of Cincinnati study. She said she was very surprised by the results of her AHA-sponsored study, which paralleled the Duke study results. "It wasn't what we hypothesized," she said. But she wouldn't recommend Atkins because the studies have been short-term.

Yes, and what about the long-term studies of low-fat dieting, none of which brought the predicted results?

Sheldon
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 13:27
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Default Atkins - Duke University Study

Did anyone else see the Tom Brokaw report last night regarding:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/836726.asp?0dm=C11MH

It is so great!!! I can't believe no one is commenting on it.

The doctors are so uncomfortable giving any credibility to this too. I was listening to a report on NPR this morning and I swear you can actually feel them squirming in their seats as they say there are no veggies or fruit in this diet (so they don't even know the diet they put down).
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 13:38
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Originally posted by lkonzelman
It is so great!!! I can't believe no one is commenting on it.
They are!

I've moved your post to the media / research forum and merged it with an earlier post on the same study.

Nat
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 13:42
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Thanks Nat - can't believe I missed all the hub bub!

DH said big problem with the diet and made me sit down to watch.

A million things were going through my head.... Oh no.... now he is going to try to make me get of the only diet that I felt that I can live with.... Oh no.... I will never be thinner... etc...

And then, drum roll! I had tears coming down my eyes I was so thrilled!
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 14:19
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You know, I think the reporters and doctors *do* say that low-fat isn't working in the long run, maybe just not in those words. They say instead that America is fatter than ever, that obesity has become an epidemic.

The major problem is what they are not saying. Because they are not saying that the low-fat mentality and eating is making some of us fatter, people with faster metabolisms who can lose weight by watching a runner out the window are given the window to say "if you'd just exercise. If you'd just cut out sodas."

I can speak for myself at how frustrating it is to follow the "if you just" people and do what they say and get on the scale a month later only to find I've gained 4 pounds. Or to begin running and dieting and watch you pants get tighter and tighter because you are building muscle but not losing fat.

I really wish reporters, doctors, organizations would just say "look, in light of recent studies we can not honestly tell you which way of eating is right or right for you. If you are losing weight eating lower fat, do that and exercise. If you are losing weight eating lower carbs, do that and exercise. Follow the program that makes you feel good. Keep in contact with your doctor. Watch your numbers (scale and cholesterol). And after we've had time to study things a little more, we'll get back to you."

That would be the most real thing I've heard in well...forever.
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Old Tue, Nov-19-02, 22:25
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Well all those down here in the states will be glad to know that now there has been a bonafide study done by Duke, the US Government will no doubt now need to do it's own more exhaustive study to prove what we already know. Our tax dollars at work, isn't it wonderful

Regards,
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Old Wed, Nov-20-02, 07:39
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Actually - Dr. Atkins paid for the study but the results were up to Duke.
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Old Wed, Nov-20-02, 08:27
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Although it is true that Atkins funded the study, it was Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University who approached the Atkins Center for the funds to conduct the study. Atkins didn't go out seeking
the study to be done at Duke.
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Thumbs up MSNBC article on Atkins

The LC studies at Duke Universtiy were presented to the American Heart Association on Monday and MSNBC has an interesting article on the subject you may want to read.

Here is the link:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/836726.asp

...of course we wise ones already know the truth about LC, but it's time for the rest of the world to get on side!!!

May LCers one day take over the planet and rule the world!
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Old Fri, Nov-22-02, 15:52
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Bijou, I've moved and merged your post with this one in the Research / Media forum. As you can see this has been a pretty hot topic this week. Poke around in here, there have been a few other great atricles about LC in the news of late.

Cheers,
Nat
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