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Old Mon, Jan-23-06, 17:05
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By CANDICE CHOI

Associated Press Writer

Thin is still in, but apparently fat is nowhere near as out as it used to be. A survey finds America's attitudes toward overweight people are shifting from rejection toward acceptance. Over a 20-year period, the percentage of Americans who said they find overweight people less attractive steadily dropped from 55 percent to 24 percent, the market research firm NPD Group found.

With about two-thirds of U.S. adults overweight, Americans seem more accepting of heavier body types, researchers say. The NPD survey of 1,900 people representative of the U.S. population also found other more relaxed attitudes about weight and diet.

While body image remains a constant obsession, the national preoccupation with being thin has waned since the late 1980s and early 1990s, said the NPD's Harry Balzer.

Those were the days when fast food chains rushed to install salad bars. In 1989, salads as a main course peaked at 10 percent of all restaurant meals. Today, those salad bars have all but vanished and salads account for just 5 1/2 percent of main dishes.

``It turns out health is a wonderful topic to talk about,'' Balzer said. ``But to live that way is a real effort.''

Fewer people said they're trying to ``avoid snacking entirely'' - just 26 percent in 2005, down from 45 percent in 1985 - while 75 percent said they had low-fat, no-fat or reduced fat products in the last two weeks, down from 86 percent in 1999, according to the survey.

At 5-feet-6 and 230 pounds, Lara Frater likes her body just fine and turns up her nose at trendy diets.

``I don't beat myself up if I have a piece of cake,'' said Frater, a 34-year-old New Yorker and author of ``Fat Chicks Rule.''

The survey's findings aren't that surprising, as attitudes about weight constantly shift, said John Cawley, associate professor at Cornell University's College of Human Ecology.

While heavy women were idealized at times - think ``Rubenesque,'' a term born of 17th century painter Peter Paul Rubens' full-figured women - corseted women with tiny waists were preferred in other eras.

``I don't think we're going to go back to worshipping obese women, but it's interesting to see how attitudes change as more people become overweight,'' Cawley said.

Others argue that people are merely becoming more politically correct and that bias against fat people is actually growing sharper.

``These studies don't pick up on implicit, unconscious bias,'' said Kelly Brownell, head of the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale University.

``It's like if you asked people around the country if they had racial bias. There's a difference between what people say and what actually happens,'' Brownell said.

Researchers at Cornell also found that negative attitudes about obesity persist.

The NPD study results may simply be a sign of ``resignation from overweight people,'' Brownell said, noting that it's likely a majority of survey respondents are overweight.

The survey, to be published in February in the journal Rationality and Society, also found obese boys and girls were half as likely to date as normal weight kids.

At an obesity doctors meeting in 2003, a University of Liverpool study indicated that just standing next to a large woman can be bad for a guy's image. The study had young women look at one of two pictures: One of a trim young man standing next to a svelte woman, and the other showing the same man next to a heavy woman.

When the man was shown standing by the large woman, he was rated 22 percent more negatively by the study volunteers than when he was next to the thin woman. When seen with the large woman, he was more likely to be described as miserable, depressed, weak and insecure.

Marilyn Wann, board member of the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance, said fat people are the target of a witch hunt in a fitness-obsessed nation.

``Everyone thinks it's OK to make fun of fatties,'' said Wann, who won't use the word ``overweight'' because she says it's judgmental.

Even if people say they are more accepting of overweight people, many still yearn to be thin. The NPD survey shows the number of people who said ``I would like to lose 20 pounds'' jumped from 54 percent in 1985 to 61 percent last year.
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Old Mon, Jan-23-06, 18:47
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Those were the days when fast food chains rushed to install salad bars. In 1989, salads as a main course peaked at 10 percent of all restaurant meals. Today, those salad bars have all but vanished and salads account for just 5 1/2 percent of main dishes.
The problem with the salad bars was that the food in them was not what anyone would consider healthy. Most of it was high-fat and high-carb. When I was a low fatter, there was very few items in the salad bar that I could eat. Now as a low carber, I find the same to be true. It's just a different group of items I now eat. I try to avoid salad bars.
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Old Mon, Jan-23-06, 19:11
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I used to always have salad with my pizza, I thought it made it a balanced meal- Seriously!

I wish I could find one of those guys that think fat is attractive.
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Old Mon, Jan-23-06, 19:13
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The main problem with salad bars is that you are allowing the general public to come in contact with your food and, let me tell you, a lot of those people have a very different idea of hygiene than I do.

I worked at a Wendy's when I was in high school and frequently took care of the salad bar. You would see people lick their fingers and stick them in the food. I caught kids several times eating sunflower seeds with the spoon in the bin and then putting the spoon back. People sneezing, coughing, spewing spittle as they talked over the food. No way for me.Yuck.
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Old Mon, Jan-23-06, 21:08
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Well, I was just considering where to eat on my birthday and thanks to you guys I've ruled out the salad bar. Thanks for helping me save 5 bucks!
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 07:01
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Maybe people have given up on getting down to a healthy weight because it is too hard.
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 09:49
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``Everyone thinks it's OK to make fun of fatties,'' said Wann, who won't use the word ``overweight'' because she says it's judgmental.

Trying to understand this one...she says that she won't say "overweight" because that is judgmental but says "fatties"? Very odd indeed. Really, fatties is so much less judgmental than overweight. (note the massive sarcasm)
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 10:22
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maybe its because I'm 19 but i've never ever seen a fast food place with a salad bar. It was when I was only 13 did mcdonalds actually come out iwth the "mcsalad shaker". I wish there were more salad bars, yucky germs and all
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 13:32
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Trying to understand this one...she says that she won't say "overweight" because that is judgmental but says "fatties"? Very odd indeed. Really, fatties is so much less judgmental than overweight. (note the massive sarcasm)
I noticed that same thing. I thought, "What a judgemental person she is"
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 13:44
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I think the overweight/fatty terminology doesn't really make sense. Over meaning you have judged what their weight should be, but fatty means you've noted their fat cells.

I can relate to this article, while I hope to lose weight in the future I'm not eating a weight loss diet any longer. I kept cheating and felt I was better off working on keeping tight control of my blood sugar. Happily for me the side effect of that seems to be tiny amounts of weight loss. A lot of the motivation to lose weight that I felt when I was younger are no longer factors for me. There are lots of cute bigger clothes. I feel totally comfortable at the gym or anyplace else I go because their are a lot of people my size. I no longer have any expectations that I have to be perfect to be liked, especially women, seem to like me more when I'm heavy.
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 14:13
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serrelind

I agree that it is too hard if you are doing the low fat, control your intake, exercise even if you have zero energy plan. For most of us it is impossible. But thanks be to Dr. A and others. Low carb makes it possible.
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ShopGirl,

It seems there was a time when salad bars were "in" (the 80's maybe earlier but I am too young to remember that) and they were everywhere. I am not sure if MCD's ever had one but there were bars in lots of other fast food joints (I liked the ones at Roy Rogers but I guess Roys went the way of the salad bar.) There were even pizza huts that had them. Now you hardly ever see them. The only place I can think of that has them is Steak and Ale. Since S&A is sort of old fashion (been around since the 60's and their customers seem to be older) I guess it makes sense that they would be a salad bar hold out. You also see them at all you can eat places. I also like the salad bars. You can't eliminate all of the germs in life. I say eat the salad bar -- testing your immune system only makes it stronger!
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 14:54
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I know Wendy's, Burger King, and Artic Circle all had salad bars in the early 80's. I don't know about McDonald's, because I have never liked going there. The best salad bar was at the Sizzler.

I'm not as germ-phobic as I sounded, but working the salad bar put me off of them, except in the "nicer" restaurants. I'm all for a healthy immune system but I'm trying to keep my three-years-and-counting-without-even-a-cold streak alive.
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Old Tue, Jan-24-06, 15:07
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Carl's Junior and Wendy's used to have salad bars too.

Arc what do you do to keep your immune system so strong? (I have problems pointing to low immunity. Before I started glutamine and emergen C it would take me 6 weeks to get through a cold and I would get 3-4 every winter).
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I haven't been sick since I got strep throat when I was 13 (I'm almost 23). The only thing I've done is not get a flu-shot.
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