skyspinner, I understand what you are saying, and what you mean about being your own challenger. I got in on the tail end of that Autumn challenge, and already am on the thanksgiving one,and end of October one I don't think it is the accountability of the challenge that I signed up for it.,.. it is the support that helps me. Those AAAAUUUUUUUURRRRGGGGHHHHHH moments! We all get them here and there,if we are honest with ourself. I am going to lose however fast I am going to lose... and I realize that every one's body does differently on diets, losses and gains will be unique to the individuals. I did enjoy sharing the little time I did with you on the last challenge, and do hope to *see* you about elsewhere...