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Old Thu, Feb-12-04, 12:45
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Just as your car runs best on a certain type of fuel, so does the human body. Unfortunately the latest low-carbohydrate fad diets are not the fuel mix the human body was designed to run on. These diets can cause quite a few health risks over the long run. Here are the top ten:

1. Heart Disease Risk Increases

Risk of heart disease is greatly increased on a low-carbohydrate, low-fiber diet that is high in animal protein, cholesterol and saturated fat. All three raise serum cholesterol, particularly LDL or "bad" cholesterol. Elimination of high-carbohydrate, high-fiber plant foods, that help lower cholesterol, compounds this problem. A high meat intake may excessively increase homocysteine levels and iron stores in the body. There is growing evidence that high levels of both may increase the risk of heart disease.

2. Cancer Risk Increases

The risk for many cancers is likely to increase when most fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans are eliminated from the diet. The National Cancer Institute currently recommends, based on the bulk of scientific research, that you should eat a plant-based diet that is high in fiber and low in fat for optimum
health.

3. Poor Long Term Weight Control

There is no metabolic magic in low-carbohydrate diets. Those who continue to lose weight after the first week do so because they decrease calorie intake. Greatly limiting the number of foods that people are allowed to eat reduces their food and calorie intake. But a reduction in variety most often leads to boredom and cravings over the long run. One recent study showed that a high protein
meal leads to a greater tendency towards binging of foods high in sugar and fat later in the day.

4. Reduced Athletic Performance

Athletic performance is reduced on a low-carbohydrate diet. Since the 1930's it has been known that a high-carbohydrate diet can enhance endurance during
strenuous athletic events. Mountain climbers and skiers should be warned that a ketogenic diet greatly increases the risk of mountain sickness.

5. Rising Blood Pressure with Age

Blood pressure will likely increase with age on a typical low-carbohydrate diet. This is partly because a high-carbohydrate, high-fiber diet includes more fruits, vegetables, whole grains and nonfat dairy products. These foods, all high in magnesium, potassium and calcium, were the mainstay of the DASH diet, which was shown to lower blood pressure. Additionally, low-carbohydrate diets do not restrict salt intake, the main reason blood pressure rises with age.

6. Gout

An excess of uric acid in the body causes gout. This excess can be caused by an increased intake of foods high in purines, which are broken down into uric acid in the body. Meat, poultry, nuts, seeds, eggs and seafood are all fairly
high in purines.

7. Kidney Stones

Both uric acid and calcium oxalate stones are more likely to form on a high protein, ketogenic diet than on a higher carbohydrate diet with more fruits and vegetables.

8. Osteoporosis

Over time, excess protein intake, especially from animal sources, increases the
loss of calcium in the urine which may contribute to osteoporosis.

9. Fainting

Orthostatic hypotension, or a rapid drop in blood pressure when you go from lying down to standing, is caused by a loss of fluid and electrolytes and reduced sympathetic nervous system activity. Both of these occur when your body is deprived of carbohydrate. This may result in dizziness or even fainting when you stand up quickly.

10. Keto breath

Keto-breath can be described as a cross between nail polish and over-ripe pineapple. This is common for dieters who consume so few carbohydrate that
they put their bodies in a state of ketosis.

The bottom line:

Your best bet for permanent weight loss and good health is three fold:

1) Increase the amount of fruits, vegetables, nonfat dairy products, whole grains and beans that you eat.
2) Eliminate calorie-dense foods that are high in fat and refined carbohydrates
such as cookies, sugary desserts, bagels, crackers, chips, fries, pizza, candies, etc.
3) Exercise on a regular basis. Research on people who have successfully
lost a lot of weight and kept it off long term, shows that the vast majority succeeded by consuming a high-fiber, lowfat diet coupled with regular exercise.

By Dr. James J. Kenney, PhD, RD,
FACN, Nutrition Research Specialist,
Pritikin Longevity Center.
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I've started scrolling to the bottom of posts before I read them...

As if keto breath is worse than the sugar-and-starch plaque breath that I DON'T have anymore. (And I'll be keeping my teeth.)

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2) Eliminate calorie-dense foods that are high in fat and refined carbohydrates
such as cookies, sugary desserts, bagels, crackers, chips, fries, pizza, candies, etc

Of course, everyone knows that these choices are all encouraged on a low carb plan...
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Old Thu, Feb-12-04, 14:08
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Pritikin and other extreme low-fatters are having a hard time finding recruits nowadays.

Their ascetic, hair-shirt message has lost its appeal. So they're spin doctoring.


"Risk of heart disease is greatly increased on a low-carbohydrate, low-fiber diet that is high in animal protein, cholesterol and saturated fat. All three raise serum cholesterol, particularly LDL or "bad" cholesterol."

Nice try. No study has shown such a thing at all. In fact, the data on ACTUAL low-carb diet studies shows the exact opposite. Next. . .


"The risk for many cancers is likely to increase when most fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans are eliminated from the diet."

Nope. Pure supposition. (A) No low-carb diet ELIMINATES any of the above. They LIMIT them to moderate amounts. (B) The 'studies' that purport to show the benefits of such foods make comparisons to people who eat refined stuff and garbage, NOT to low-carb eaters. Next. .

"There is no metabolic magic in low-carbohydrate diets. Those who continue to lose weight after the first week do so because they decrease calorie intake."

Phony argument. There is no metabolic magic in fat-free all-grass diets either. People who eat shrubbery and cattle feed simply end up eating fewer calories because the food tastes like dreck. Been there, done that.


"But a reduction in variety most often leads to boredom and cravings over the long run. One recent study showed that a high protein meal leads to a greater tendency towards binging of foods high in sugar and fat later in the day."

Phony. A fatless, all-plant diet also leads to boredom and cravings for high-fat, satiating, and nutritious foods. Eat low-fat for a week, and you'll ache for ANYTHING with a drop of fat in it. Been there, done that.


"Since the 1930's it has been known that a high-carbohydrate diet can enhance endurance during strenuous athletic events. "

(A) And since the '90's when people actually studied such things, they found high-fat is just as effective. (B) 99% of us arent' marathoners, and don't pretend to be.

"Mountain climbers and skiers should be warned that a ketogenic diet greatly increases the risk of mountain sickness."

(A) Where's the data for this one? (B) Mountain climbers represent, what, maybe 0.00003% of the population?


"Blood pressure will likely increase with age on a typical low-carbohydrate diet."

A pure guess. Fantasy.

"These foods, all high in magnesium, potassium and calcium, were the mainstay of the DASH diet, which was shown to lower blood pressure."

NOT eliminated on a low-carb diet. Besides HOW MUCH did it lower blood pressure? A pittance. Also, a low-carb diet, low in sugars and starches, and generating a minimal amount of insulin, OFTEN lowers blood pressure.


" An excess of uric acid in the body causes gout. This excess can be caused by an increased intake of foods high in purines, which are broken down into uric acid in the body. Meat, poultry, nuts, seeds, eggs and seafood are all fairly
high in purines."

A non sequitir. Does eating these foods actually cause gout? Or are certain people pre-disposed to gout no matter what they eat?


"Both uric acid and calcium oxalate stones are more likely to form on a high protein, ketogenic diet than on a higher carbohydrate diet with more fruits and vegetables."

Really? Where's the data for this one? Just another guess. Another 'maybe.'

"Over time, excess protein intake, especially from animal sources, increases the loss of calcium in the urine which may contribute to osteoporosis."

Nope, again. Studies on people eating natural meat (not protein isolates) show NO loss of bone, no net loss of calcium. In fact, the more animal protein, the stronger the bone, the fewer the fractures. Next. . .

"Keto-breath can be described as a cross between nail polish and over-ripe pineapple. This is common for dieters who consume so few carbohydrate that
they put their bodies in a state of ketosis."

Okay. MAYBE this happens to some ultra-low-carb dieters. But it's no worse than standing down-wind of a bean-eating vegan who spews sulfur/methane emissions every four minutes. (Been there, smelled that. Not pleasant.)

"Orthostatic hypotension, or a rapid drop in blood pressure when you go from lying down to standing, is caused by a loss of fluid and electrolytes and reduced sympathetic nervous system activity. Both of these occur when your body is deprived of carbohydrate."

(A) Any of you low-carbers experience this? (B) Were you on blood pressure meds? (C) So, should you eat more starch to RAISE your blood pressure?

"Your best bet for permanent weight loss and good health is three fold:

1) Increase the amount of fruits, vegetables, nonfat dairy products, whole grains and beans that you eat."

We eat plenty of plant stuff. Just not the sugary, starchy stuff.


" 2) Eliminate calorie-dense foods that are high in fat and refined carbohydrates
such as cookies, sugary desserts, bagels, crackers, chips, fries, pizza, candies, etc."

Good idea. NO low-carber eats any of that stuff. NO low-carb diet recommends trash like that.



"3) Exercise on a regular basis. Research on people who have successfully
lost a lot of weight and kept it off long term, shows that the vast majority succeeded by consuming a high-fiber, lowfat diet coupled with regular exercise.

Good idea. Where does it say that low-carbing means sitting on the couch?

And who is this 'vast majority' you speak of? The National Weight Control registry? Not a valid sample. Not verified. Not representative. Not controlled. Just a PR gimmick.

Sorry. Just needed to vent. I'm tired of mis-dis-information and PR spin doctoring.
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Old Thu, Feb-12-04, 14:14
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Thanks K Walt, I'm almost drooling on my keyboard from reading your post...!
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Old Thu, Feb-12-04, 20:18
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I wonder why dietitians and nutritionists really are so against considering the facts about a low carb diet. There's been several studies now. Even the medical community is coming around, but it's still next to impossible to find an RD that thinks of low carb as anything but evil. I guess it's their schooling.

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I think that a lot of the problem that contrary physicians and other health professionals have with a controlled carbohydrate lifestyle is that they don't understand exactly what it comprises.

For example, Atkins is often touted as an all-meat, low-fiber diet, which is not true.

Most controlled carb programs also stress the value of nutrient-dense "good" carbohydrates which are often lower in carbohydrates than their less nutrient-dense fellows.

The other thing is that the controlled carb "induction" level of carbohydrates is a lot different than the later "maintenance" levels of carbohydrates.

Without supplementation, while I diet, I would be severely deficient in Vitamin C and Folate. However, as I add good carbs for weight maintenance, these numbers tend to rise. Supplementation keeps me on track in the meantime.
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Walt, your whole post was great but this quote:

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"Keto-breath can be described as a cross between nail polish and over-ripe pineapple. This is common for dieters who consume so few carbohydrate that they put their bodies in a state of ketosis."

Okay. MAYBE this happens to some ultra-low-carb dieters. But it's no worse than standing down-wind of a bean-eating vegan who spews sulfur/methane emissions every four minutes. (Been there, smelled that. Not pleasant.)


... priceless!
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""Since the 1930's it has been known that a high-carbohydrate diet can enhance endurance during strenuous athletic events. "

An "Athlete", who exercises 5 or 6 hours a day, builds mitochondria. Mitochondria, burns mostly FAT (with just a tad of glucose). These athletes need fat to perform, and the easiest way to acquire the fat is through hi carb diets.

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"Mountain climbers and skiers should be warned that a ketogenic diet greatly increases the risk of mountain sickness."

Hey! I LIVE in the mountains. I'm in so much trouble now! Let me pick up my kidneys and get out of here!
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"By Dr. James J. Kenney, PhD, RD,
FACN, Nutrition Research Specialist,
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Just one more observation that assumes you never eat grains/fruit again once you start eating the low carb way!!
A huge percentage of so call "Normal eaters" don't get 1/2 the good grains I get each day in my diet, nor the servings of fruit for that matter. (3 day )

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"Orthostatic hypotension, or a rapid drop in blood pressure when you go from lying down to standing, is caused by a loss of fluid and electrolytes and reduced sympathetic nervous system activity. Both of these occur when your body is deprived of carbohydrate."


Hmmm...didn't they say in reason number 5 that a low carb diet raises your blood pressure? Now here they're saying that a lack of carbs can suddenly lower it.

Pritikin Longevity Center

Also advisors to PCRM and PETA...think they have an agenda? 'Nuff said.
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I will admit that they have a point about the link between low carb diets and low blood pressure. I have experienced low blood pressure frequently while on Atkins. However, in many ways recognizing this link kind of proves the merrits of Atkins.

High blood pressure is greatly exacerbated by, if not caused by, insulin. Insulin causes retention of fluids and salt. On atkins, fluids are lost more rapidly due to low insulin levels, and therefore minerals also lost more rapidly. This results in low electrolyte levels and that feeling of dizziness when chaning position from lying down to sitting. It has nothing whatsoever to do with carbs and everything to do with low minerals. Supplementing with more potassium based salt (and sometimes, regular sodium) will usually make this go away.

Or, eating the juices from steak, and choosing high mineral low carb veggies like spinach and avocado is also a good idea.

Ironically, the reason starchy and sugary veggies tend to be higher in minerals is because they have so much energy stored in them; they are fat. Vegitation stores energy using insulin just as animals like humans do, and so in the veggies that also tend to be loaded with "fat" like starch and sugar, also tend to be clinging on to minerals.
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What bothers me most is that based on nutritional dogma, people believe all those things, because many of them are PARTLY true. Yes, eating lots of saturated fats will clog up your arteries--but ONLY in the presence of too many carbs! (Adiposity 101, but don't ask me where on the page it is!) The moment I learned that, I became impervious to unfounded, ignorant claims based on the usual nutritional "science" (and no kidney stones or heart attacks yet! (Fingers crossed! LOL)). But who cares about the facts, anyway?

Geez, you'd think we were all killing puppies and kittens or something. (Just chickens and the occasional cow, thank you. )

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