Hi everyone-
I'm still searching for the right diet and I've tried CKD for the past 3 weeks & it isn't working - so I want to switch to TKD, however, I don't quite get what carbs one should eat before & after the workout. I know they are discribed in the book, but I can't find good examples, and what's the deal with Smarties & Skittles anyway?

They're good TKD 'foods' (If we can call them that ) because they are largely maltodextrin and dextrose - some of the closest sugars to the glucose your body uses. This means little work in metabolising them - they get into your system quickly and with minimal effort.

You can also use pure maltodextrin (bulk food stores often carry it)

Nat

Nat,

When you say pure maltodextrin, do you mean in powder form????

Also, do you have any other ideas/suggestions for things that contain pure dextrose? other than smarties, twizzlers??? I've been reading labels galore, and just finding sucrose and fructose

Also, is dextrose available in powder?

TIA

Yes, and yes (it is available up here - at bulk / natural food stores, and it's been found in asian grocery stores as well).

Not sure but I believe twizzlers are made with corn syrop.

Smarties (aka Rockets in Canada), sweet tarts, pixie sticks, skittles and I think someone mentioned candy corns (not sure on this one though).

-N

I found powdered dextrose in a bulk store--labeled "Corn sugar," I think, and with "dextrose" in small letters after.

Nat--Candy corns??? Really??? I LOVE candy corns! Gonna have to go check and maybe get me some!

Also, apparently candy necklaces and other similar (hard, pressed powdery) candies are made of dextrose and maltodextrin. Happy carbing!

Could you share a bit more of why you felt the CKD wasnt working for you? Did you not lose any body fat or was it another issue with the program?

Just curious........

No luck...here's what I've got so far:

Candy Corn: Sugar, corn syrup, egg whites, honey, soy protein, salt, artificial flavors, confectioners glaze, carnauba wax, artificial colors (Red 3, Yellow 5, Yellow 6).

From another source:
Ingredients: Sugar, Corn syrup, Salt, Confectioner's Glaze, Honey,
Dextrose, Gelatin, Artificial Flavor, Yellow 6, Yellow 5, Red 3

I'm gonna go pout now.

Candy corn is out then!

Found another: Willy Wonka Bottle Caps - dextrose based apparently.

-Nat

Those are SOOOO good

Thanks Nat & Alopex!!

I'll start looking tonite

With CKD I found the way I felt going in & out of ketosis to be difficult, thus I prolonged the Carb-up "high" and cheated. I thought that perhaps the steady state of TKD may be something that would work better for me.
Feel free to comment because maybe I'm wasn't doing something right to even my carb high & lows.

That has been the hardest part for me on the CKD, ending my carb up. I found that planning to end it before I went to sleep worked best for me as I woke up the next day and went straight to low carb.

A TKD might be better for you if the carb high/lows are too much to handle. One thing Id suggest on the TKD is at least once a week eating over your maintenance level of calories in order to somewhat reset Leptin levels.

Best of luck with the TKD!!!

If you don't mind, could you or someone give me your normal weekly calorie / carb/pro/fat break down, so I can see what you mean by eating a little extra?
Tx

Anybody please correct me if I am wrong:

Calories: It depends on your body weight. A general rule is that maintenance calorie intake is about 15-17 times your body weight and the optimal calorie defiiciency required to loose is about 10-12 times your weight but staying at the level for prolonged periods reduces leptin and eventually you will stall. KC suggested upping the calories once per week to replace leptin and prevent this stall.

Carbs: depends upon the plan. From what I understand CKDers should take in only trace carbs the first few days after the carbs up and then stay below 20-30 for the remainder of the LC cycle. I'm not sure on TKD levels. I stay below 20 each LC day.

Protien: Depends on body weight. I try to eat between .6 and .9 times my body weight per day.

Fat: This calculation escapes me... I have it set up in fitday as a goal but I can't remember how I arrived at this goal! I am pretty sure it has something to do with protien intake. Someone help me out here. My goals are to take in roughly 60-70% fat calories per day.

I found that the CKD parameter calculator is a great tool.. http://www.users.voicenet.com/~petr...ss/ckdcalc.html

Hope this helps!

Your weekly carb-up should take care of this problem. Typically, calories are above maintenance and they are composed of mainly carbs. Simple, high GI ones at first, which have the biggest impact on Leptin levels.

I used that calculator as well to figure out protein / fat / carb ratios for both the keto and carb up days.

HTH
-Nat