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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 03:30
Müncher Müncher is offline
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Stats: 240/209/190 Male 188
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Unhappy High cholesterol level

Hello all,
after 7 weeks Atkins - I have lost about 14kgs and feel pretty good. I have Just come back from the Drs after my blood test. It seems my combined cholesterol is 330! The Dr. says that no matter what the proportions of cholesterol are, a result of 330 requires medication to reverse. Has anybody any experience of this. I'm disappointed because I thought everything was going so well....is it all the eggs for breakfast?

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Victor
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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 05:57
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Plan: Atkins
Stats: 250/220.5/130 Female 5'3
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Progress: 25%
Location: Michigan
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Have you considered staying on Atkins but cutting out red meat and eggs? Some people can't handle those foods.

Best of luck to you!! KK
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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 06:06
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is it all the eggs for breakfast?
Victor, it may well be something in the eggs, arachidonic acid. The Eades of Protien Power advise the following on their FAQ page:

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Are there people who should avoid red meat and eggs?

Yes. Some people just seem to have a sensitivity to them. It may be the arachidonic acid found in red meat and egg yolks. These people lose weight just fine eating them, but their elevated blood pressure or cholesterol won’t come down until they stop the red meat and eggs. Sometimes people do better avoiding them if you are suffering from hypertension, elevated cholesterol, fluid retention, or inflammation such as arthritis, bursitis, asthma, allergies and rashes.


Did you have your cholesterol checked before you began LCing? It might be that 330 is down from what it was before - having a baseline to compare is usually recommended.

It could also be another phenonmenon called the beta shift. The Eades cover this as well on their FAQ page:

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I’ve been on the plan for awhile and feel better than I ever have. I’ve lost weight, my blood pressure is down and my sugar levels are now normal. My most recent lab tests show that my cholesterol and LDL went up. What am I doing wrong?


First of all, be aware that you are not doing anything wrong. The most consistent finding after people go on our program is that triglycerides drop and HDL, the "good" cholesterol increases. This indicates that your insulin levels have dropped and you have stopped converting excess amounts of sugar into fats as trigylcerides. Cholesterol is a number that is composed of both good and bad fractions, therefore we don’t tend to track it nearly as close as more specific levels of HDL, triglycerides and LDL. LDL cholesterol is made up of different particles that vary from person to person. Depending on the type of particles that predominate, one is said to have either pattern A or pattern B. With pattern A, the LDL is light, fluffy, and relatively large. This pattern is actually thought to be beneficial. With pattern B, the molecule is heavy, dense, and relatively small. This pattern is thought to be detrimental. Pattern B is a partial consequence of excessively elevated triglycerides. When triglycerides go down after the Protein Power Plan has been adopted, a phenomenon called the "beta shift" occurs where LDL is transformed into pattern A. So, paradoxically, even though the level of LDL appears to increase, the type of LDL that is being formed is usually much healthier. The difficult part is that the lab testing to determine your levels of LDL "A" and LDL "B" can only be done in a research laboratory with electrophoresis methods. While we cannot be 100% certain that this is what happened in your case, the research strongly supports this view.

The most important thing is to look at the overall picture. With the Protein Power approach we look at the triglyceride/HDL ratio as one of the best measurements of risk for heart disease. An upper limit of 5 is considered desirable, with anything over that indicating an increased risk. Some measures to help bring down your cholesterol and LDL levels are: stay on the plan (some people panic and feel that the plan is causing the opposite effect), take a "no-flush" niacin 500 mg 2-3 capsules per day, increase your fiber intake with perhaps psyllium seed powder-1-2 TBS mixed in water per day, and avoid excessive saturated fats and trans fats (fried foods and margarine.)


The most important thing to keep in mind is that elevated cholesterol alone is not a good indicator of CVD. There are numerous posts in the Health forum on this topic that will help shed more light on this.

HTH
-Nat
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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 11:12
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Plan: Atkins Life Maintenance!
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Hallo from Frankfurt!

Don't worry - this will get back to normal. Try the advice NAtrushka gave you and do the test again soon. My levels have gone down, but I don't eat eggs every day...

Good luck!

Alina
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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 11:43
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Plan: Atkins
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Atkins mentions this in DANDR...you've dropped 30+ pounds in a fairly short time frame. You should see a substantial drop in LDL and Total Cholesterol readings by the time you have been on the Atkins program for 6 months.

I was tested in my 6th week...Triglycerides down 30%, but LDL up from 220 to 280+...HDL virtually unchanged. I'm scheduled for another set of tests next week (week 14), but I haven't hit a "plateau" yet, so I'm guessing that my LDL will still be elevated (I'm hoping for another dip in my Triglycerides, though). I'm not going to get too excited about my LDL/Total Cholesterol figures until I've gone a full 6 months, and I'm certainly not planning to restrict fats or eggs at all. There is plenty of evidence to indicate that reducing red meat and eggs has little effect on cholesterol, and that Triglycerides are a far more important indicator of cardiac/circulatory risk.
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