Tue, Dec-17-02, 18:10
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Plan: Anything that works
Stats: 184/150/117
BF:45%/40%/15%
Progress: 51%
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Real Athletes
Don't need to do Atkins, generally their fitness levels are so good that they could burn off a little excess fat anyway in a couple of weeks.
There is a substantial difference between someone that needs to "lose" fat AND gain muscle and someone who needs to just build muscle. On Atkins you are only in ketosis in the Induction phase to any severe degree. In the OWL part of the diet, you up your carbs so that you just have a trace of ketones. There seems to be a myth being perpetuated about people who are on Atkins not being able to go to the gym and build muscle. Remember that to build muscle you need to damage it first to a certain extent. Yes you do need some glycogen, but you can actually fiddle around with the "amount" of glycogen that you need and how you deliver it to your muscles before you go for a workout. I take 20grams of carbs approx 60 minutes before a workout in the form of a protein shake that has carbs incorporated in the ingredients. This gives me more bang and it keeps me going for 60 minutes. By the time that 60 minutes is complete, I check my ketosis state and bingo, still in ketosis. When there...it means I only have to scratch my a$$ and I burn fat when I am in ketosis. The body is well able to run on ketones, and people can do cardio fine. In fact I do mine without breakfast first thing in the morning and actually wait 60 minutes before I have breakfast when it is over. So the 20 grams of carbs I put in before going to the gym do me right. In fact I can say now that within a few minutes of eating food your body does have the ability to switch from being catabolic to anabolic when the contents hit the stomach. That in using energy it takes to work muscles in a 60 minute workout this in itself throws it in the opposite direction back to catabolic state again towards the end of that workout. I have experimented with the ketostix and been able to UP my weights as I always do. If my muscles were getting weaker as a result of doing this, then I would know it but they arn't. With each few days I make progress.
For the best part, when people on normal diet's do cardio, after the first part of the ten minutes they have used all the glycogen stores up, the body switches to burning fat anyway and they are in a ketogenic state to burn fat technically. It is only after the workout when people load on carbs and other stuff that they "stop" that fat burning and the body starts to burn glycogen again from the carbs you just ate. Delaying a meal is what causes more fat to be burned after the cardio. The body is far more complex and speedier at doing these things than we give it credit for really---especially the digestion side of things. Food and drugs can be absorbed within 30 minutes of ingesting most of the time as by the time they reach the small intestine this occurs and is occuring right from swallowing the stuff technically to a small degree. So you only need to load 60 minutes before a workout and you have the glycogen you need to both get you through and be burning fat afterwards. Because it is a modified small amount, it doesn't have time to be stored in the liver for use later as it is used up. Carbing up afterwards may be stored and so thus it would take longer to get back into ketosis. If you do your weights in the evening and then go to bed soon after the GH is higher when your body is in deep sleep than during the day and this is how your muscles recover. I have studied the circadian rythyms of sex hormones and GH so I know this occurs and whatsmore the proof it works is in the fact that I feel ok and well recovered the next morning muscle wise.
The fastest way of getting protein/carbs into your system is by eating a combo of whey protein and high glycaemic type of carbs in the form of a shake. Other forms of protein take longer to digest as do the lower glycaemic carbs such as brown rice etc. Luckily the ones that are the fastest to be absorbed are also the ones that are quickly used up in a workout making Protein shake with some carbs added the perfect solution for any diet where you wish to return to a ketogenic state asap.
Regards
Anne-Marie
PS: Although lean muscle mass burns more fat...we have to think here..what is a person in ketosis doing? They are burning fat "more" than someone who is not in a ketogenic state. I mean I hear time and time again people say that you need to build lean muscle, but they think you need to avoid ketosis completely to do this. Because you body has the ability once depleted of carbs and glycogen to flip immediately from that catabolic state to anabolic by just eating slightly more carbs than you need to to stay in ketosis...and can immediately return to that catabolic state and be in ketosis afterwards...it is in theory the best place to be for someone trying to lose fat and build muscle at the same time. It is like having enough gas in the tank to run the errands you normally run, but putting extra in ONLY when you need to use it that's all. The car doesn't run any worse for it. Your body will become more effecient at burning fat, and there is nothing stopping you from loading up when you need to go the extra mile and taking a few supplements after to aid recovery--as anyone on the Atkins diet is supposed to take anyway. Well it get's me through my workouts anyway that's for sure.
Last edited by BlueAngel : Tue, Dec-17-02 at 18:34.
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