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Old Mon, Feb-23-04, 06:50
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February 23, 2004

Washington powerless to move under growing obesity

Nicholas Wapshott on America


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1012346,00.html

THE icy New York pavement that toppled Robert Atkins led not only to the death of the high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet guru but also to a vicious and protracted argument.

On the one side are his loyal followers, led by his widow and heir, Veronica, and on the other a mighty coalition of America’s medical establishment, the food industry and the nation’s cereal farmers.

The dispute over the 6ft doctor’s weight at the time of his death — reported to be more than 18st — is not simply about whether he was an obese hypocrite, but whether his protein-packed diet is dangerous. At stake is the success of the multimillion-dollar low-carb industry — and the best effort yet by Americans to try to turn the tide of obesity.

While doctors and followers of the diet chew over why Atkins had high blood- pressure, high cholesterol and a failing heart when he died, a vast number of Americans have made up their minds already. So many have chosen to gorge themselves on smoked salmon, eggs and meat that whole sectors of the economy are having to change.

So far, 11 per cent of American adults have adopted a low-carbohydrate diet, such as the Atkins or South Beach regimes, and schools, businesses, even the Girl Scouts, have felt the effect. The market for low-carb products and services will this year reach $25 billion (£13.4 billion).

Food companies have responded quickly to the change in demand. Last month senior executives from 450 leading companies, such as Kraft and Wal-Mart, attended a meeting in Denver to work out how to claim their share of the new food bonanza. Popular restaurant chains, such as TGI Friday’s and Ruby Tuesday’s, have been joined by fast-food outlets in altering menus to accommodate the low-carb fad. Makers of processed food such as Unilever-Best Foods and Kellogg have introduced low-carb veggie-burgers, peanut butter and tomato sauce. Hershey will soon launch a low-carb chocolate bar.

A chain of low-carb supermarkets has opened in health-conscious southern California. Last month saw the arrival of the magazine LowCarb Living, aimed at Atkins fanatics.

Those who produce protein have seen an enormous lift in earnings. Demand for beef was up by 5 per cent last year and has increased by 15.4 per cent in the past five years. Poultry farmers, who for 20 years suffered from official advice that it was unhealthy to eat more than three eggs a week, have seen a spectacular turnround. The average American ate 235 eggs in 1995; by 2002 they were eating 258 a year. Last year egg sales rose a further 11 per cent.

Those who do not or cannot adjust to the low-carb movement are suffering. Wheat farmers in the Mid- western plains were the first to be hit. Americans have eaten 11 fewer pounds of flour in the past two years and last year consumption of bread fell by 1.2 per cent. Demand for potatoes has become so slack that growers on Prince Edward Island are putting mountains of unsold potatoes in cold storage.

The low-carb craze is hurting long-established traditions, too. Some Florida schools, spurred by evidence that eating sugar and other carbohydrates leads to bad behaviour, while eating protein improves brain performance, have switched school lunches from pizza to bacon and eggs. Even Girl Scouts, who traditionally raise funds by selling homemade biscuits, have seen sales drop by as much as 10 per cent.

As Americans alter their eating habits, there are winners and losers among the states. Idaho is America’s potato state, producing an annual 13.8 billion pounds of spuds worth $2.5 billion, or 15 per cent of the state’s gross domestic product. To Idahoans, Dr Atkins was a dangerous revolutionary who even in death is threatening their livelihoods. However, Ohio farmers, who provide a lion’s share of the protein-rich eggs, red meat, pork and cheese that Americans eat, consider the doctor a saviour.

Alongside the profound differences that separate the red (Republican) and blue (Democratic) states, the North and the South, and the liberals and the conservatives, another great divide has hit American society: between those who try to lose weight and eat healthily and those who do not give a damn. The 32 million Americans who have adopted low-carb diets, and all those who choose healthy diets , contrast sharply with the 44 million carefree carb-munchers who the federal Government deems obese.

In the French animated film Les Triplettes de Belleville, which is up for an Oscar on Sunday, America is portrayed as an overstuffed nation of guzzling gargantuans, an image that the Administration would dearly like to shake off. But, as in everything, Washington cannot intervene for fear of being accused of interfering in an individual’s right to choose. It is the fundamental right of 300,000 Americans each year to die prematurely from obesity.

For the past 20 years, in an effort to reduce heart disease and diabetes, the federal Government has obliged food companies to reveal the amount of fat in a product. But as the “lo-fat” fad gives way to the low-carb vogue, Washington finds itself in a bind. So long as the medical profession casts doubt on the virtues of a low-carb diet, the Government must remain agnostic about the Atkins debate and sit idly by as two thirds of the nation steadily gains weight.
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Americans are well known for gorging themselves on smoked salmon at every opportunity....is this guy supposed to be a specialist on the American way of life?
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Personally, I don't blame the rest of the civilized world for thinking we are all completely out of our minds.
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While doctors and followers of the diet chew over why Atkins had high blood- pressure, high cholesterol and a failing heart when he died, a vast number of Americans have made up their minds already. So many have chosen to gorge themselves on smoked salmon, eggs and meat that whole sectors of the economy are having to change.


For starters, the report never said he had High Cholesterol. Secondly, it said he had a "history of" the other problems, not that he had them at the time he died. Third, his heart problem was viral not not diet related. As for the Hypertension...I'm not sure what the deal is with that. But, its one of those diseases Doctors tend to overdiagnose. Its not uncommon for Blood Pressure to swing 20 points or more in a day. But, some doctors are quick to label a person Hypertensive after even one high reading.

Is it also possible that Dr. A, may have been Hypertensive at some point BEFORE 1963 ??? We already know he was Overweight/Obese before then. That's why he went LC in 1963. How far back does "History of" go ??? Could it mean he had those conditions at ANY point in his life ??? If so, we already know that at one point in his life he had a weight problem as a result of overindulging on Carbs...A weight problem which he beat with a LC Diet.
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Old Mon, Feb-23-04, 11:18
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"While doctors and followers of the diet chew over why Atkins had high blood- pressure, high cholesterol and a failing heart when he died, a vast number of Americans have made up their minds already. So many have chosen to gorge themselves on smoked salmon, eggs and meat that whole sectors of the economy are having to change."

I quit reading the article at this point. This is the first I have heard of "high blood-pressure and high cholesterol" being issues when he died...and how much of the "high blood-pressure", if there was any, was due to failing organs and excess fluid in his body as a result? And where did the statement "chosen to gorge" come from? People who follow the Atkins diet as he outlined, don't gorge...(smoked salmon? I hate it!) they eat until satisfied as Dr. Atkins recommended. And if you follow the diet as he outlined, your appetite deminishes and you don't have a desire to gorge. What poppycock!
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How far back does "History of" go ???.


Depending on the doc it could be anytime in life. Most likely tho, this is an error. MDs DO make mistakes! I have a "h/o codeine allergy" but I am NOT allergic to codeine, even thos this has been on my records for over 7 years! I've tried to get it removed, every doc I see crosses it out....but it's always there again next time I go to the doc!

As for the fluid bloat, here's my guess of the scenario:

Dr Atkins was initially treated with IV fluids and medications. When he retained the fluid, they gave him diuretics. When the diuretics failed, the doc tried "fluid challenges" which is where they infuse a fairly large amount of fluid (it was usually around 200CC....just under 7 oz....when I was working the ICU/CCU), then give a dose of diuretics. When the diuretics failed to remove all the fuild, larger doses were given.....and again fluid "boluses" were given. Unfortunately, some doc continue to try fluid challenges, even when the first try (or first several tries) doesn't work. I've seen as much as 2 liters given IV in one 8hr shift! And yes, these patients become horribly bloated! I've returned to patients the next day and barely recogized them because of bloat!

Mrs A said her husband's hands were like hams......and that sounds about right. There was also a note on the medical record of an ink mark on one foot.....that was probably a mark to measure his foot to keep track of the fluid increase (or decrease). AND with all this fluid involved, it's tough to imagine his BP staying within "normal" ranges.

I have no doubt in my mind that Dr A died a fairly healthy man. In giving history, Mrs A or another may have said he had "heart trouble" or "heart failure" but without specifying viral cardiomyopathy the doc who wrote the initial admit notes (which is where this "history of" usually comes from) made an error in writing "MI" because thats what MOST people mean when they state "heart trouble" or "heart failure". As for the HTN, that was probably from the fluid challenges....or possibly from past history.

Also one last note. There is "essential hypertension" which occurs for UNKNOWN reasons (hence the term "essential")

From Merck Manual: "Primary hypertension: Primary (essential) hypertension is of unknown etiology; its diverse hemodynamic and pathophysiologic derangements are unlikely to result from a single cause. Heredity is a predisposing factor, but the exact mechanism is unclear." http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mman...ter199/199a.jsp

Bottom line is we know Dr A had some medical problems. He was not in perfect health. But did his diet cause or contribute? My educated guess says no.

Is this diet a healthy diet? My educated guess says yes.....because this is the way human lived for untold generations! I don't follow the plan because Dr A said it was right......or because Dr Bernstein says it's right.....but because it makes sense! Mother nature (or God, or whoever, whatever started the whole thing) did not create creatures that had to depend on modern technology to survive. Just as I feed my dogs raw meat and bones because I feel that is their "natural" diet, I will continue to eat meat, eggs, veggies, nuts and seeds, because I feel this is our "natural" diet.
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Old Mon, Feb-23-04, 14:55
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Originally Posted by gotbeer
February 23, 2004

Washington powerless to move under growing obesity

Nicholas Wapshott on America


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...1012346,00.html

a vast number of Americans have made up their minds already. So many have chosen to gorge themselves on smoked salmon, eggs and meat that whole sectors of the economy are having to change.


This is actually quite pro-Atkins in UK terms--"the best effort yet by Americans to try to turn the tide of obesity".

Sorry about the smoked salmon mistake, must have got you mixed up with the UK where smoked salmon is very very popular.
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The 32 million Americans who have adopted low-carb diets, and all those who choose healthy diets , contrast sharply with the 44 million carefree carb-munchers who the federal Government deems obese.

So does this mean that those of this on LC diets are not on healthy diets??? Is that what I'm hearing here or am I misinterpreting this?

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All the articles bashing Atkins has really gotten me thinking...why are these reporters so focused on those of us who are trying to do something about our weight, even if the "story" is about the method? Obese Americans seem to be a new wrinkle...why not focus their complete attention on the ones who think there is nothing wrong with being obese...and maybe go after NAAFA for the headlines? Their stance on issues certainly would promote plenty of headlines for awhile. I wish they would leave us LC'ers alone, FGS!
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why are these reporters so focused on those of us who are trying to do something about our weight, even if the "story" is about the method?



I think just because we're doing it wrong!

If you don't stay with the "normal" way of doing things, you're wrong. If you don't agree with the "smart" way of doing things you're wrong.

The fact that you question the validity of what is "normal" and "smart" is the major wrong!!!!!
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