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Old Tue, Aug-05-03, 19:43
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One of the primary reasons Ketosis burns fat is because of the reductions of insulin. right? So, I'm wondering if there are products (pills) which might do the same thing. Or, is this approach to thinking about low-carbing incorrect.
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Old Tue, Aug-05-03, 19:54
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The body burns fat because it doesn't have carbs to burn. Decreased blood sugar causes the pancreas to produce less insulin. I think you have it a bit mixed up. Fat burning is not a direct result of reduced insulin. They are both the results of low carbs. That's my understanding of the process.
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Old Wed, Aug-06-03, 00:17
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so you're saying that an insulin inhibitor (not a pure inhibitor)(if it existed) wouldn't give you similar fat burning results as low-carbing?
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Old Wed, Aug-06-03, 08:59
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so you're saying that an insulin inhibitor (not a pure inhibitor)(if it existed) wouldn't give you similar fat burning results as low-carbing?


Ketosis occurs when the body is using fat for energy. In the Atkins WOE case, we get into ketosis because we eat little carbs and the body is breaking down fat that we eat for energy.

If while on atkins you would have taken an "Insulin inhibitor", if it existed, you would have high blood sugar levels, and if combined with ketosis would result in a potentially deadly condition called ketoacidosis... Ketoacidosis is a condition could occure with type I diabetics when thier body can not produce insulin, and blood sugar levels go up high, and since the body can not use the sugar for energy without insulin, the body starts using fat for energy and ketone levels go up as well.. Not a good thng..
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Old Thu, Aug-07-03, 13:46
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I think an insulin inhibitor agent (if there were such an animal) would basically be diabetogenic. The more useful goal is to boost the insulin receptivity on your cells.. the natural feedback to the pancreas is to then reduce the secretion of insulin because what is already circulating is able to be more effective with the lowering of insulin resistance at your cell membranes.

Cinnamon is one such substance (or rather a compound which they've been able to isolate in cinnnamon) which reportedly has the ability to boost your insulin sensitivity as much as 20x.
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My doctor prescribed me Metformin, (since I am Insulin Resistant and Hiperinsulinic due to my PCOS).

It basically lowers by blood sugar (to normal) so my body does not produce
more insulin to which I am resistant and has only helped me storing fat.

Is that the answer? NO. I haven't lost weight, but I've felt better.

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CAD/CALP explains it that insulin can bully glucagon (the hormone which escorts fat/energy out of your fat cells) If you have too much insulin, glucagon can't usher the fat out, as insulin is too busy shoving it in. You don't want to have NO insulin however, as insulin DOES have a purpose. That is how your blood sugar is brought down. As we read in so many places, it's all about balance.. They don't mention however that it's a freaking tightrope!!
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If you have too much insulin, glucagon can't usher the fat out, as insulin is too busy shoving it in.


More than that. If your insulin levels are high, your pancreas won't even release glucagon. You need both glucagon and insulin and your body produces both in a delicate balancing act. When blood sugars are high, pancreas releases stored insulin (phase 1 response) when you first start eating. If your blood sugar is still rising after 45-60 minutes, the phase 2 insulin response kicks in where your pancreas starts producing more insulin to get the blood sugar out of the blood stream and into the cells where it can be used for energy. When blood sugar drops and there are no more carbs/sugar coming in, insulin production stops and the pancreas releases glucagon which stimulates the liver to release it's glygogen stores or make more glycogen through coverting amino acids. In this way, the body maintains a steady blood glucose.
We run into problems when the balance is disrupted (too much insulin).
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Old Thu, Feb-19-04, 00:16
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Actually, there are people who abuse synthetic insulin for the purpose of weight loss only. I do not know what the corelation is but I thought I would throw that in.

Glucagon isn't produced if insulin is too high. Also, insulin has other jobs besides controlling blood sugar. Insulin is not stored, it is produced as it is needed.
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