But I got results with as much animals foods as I could eat to appetite. And it was delicious.

TEST ME, she requested.

Wow, this is HARSH. I'd have to have an iron will to stick to this... or be on my deathbed. And that wouldn't have been the case for study participants because confounding illnesses were excluded. Give the successful study participants a gold medal.

This is from the Word doc in Appendix A. I neglected to include in the screencaps that they also had fiber, vitamin and mineral supplements, plus 2 L water.

Phase 1: Basically Keto-Opti-Fast


Phase 2: We know you're dying for a pizza and french fries so here's some skinless chicken breast and eggs


Phase 3: How you could have done it all along without the high risk of burnout


One of the things that irked me was their recommendation to choose white meat over red. Where the heck were they getting iron? Just from the supplements?

My personal conclusion: if you're going to do 12 weeks of Kimkins, make sure you're being monitored by medical staff. And you might want to look into some nice hats, head scarves and head bands for when your hair falls out a month later.

But, yeah. Woof.

The Minnesota Starvation experiment limited experiment subjects to 1600 calories day and they all lost weight. That diet was not low carb and the men were not obese. This diet would be torture in contravention of the Geneva accords.
Anyone, anywhere on any diet would lose weight, fat, and lower oxidative stress on 400 calories a day!

Extreme starvation (400 calories per day) is a sure fire way to lose weight. It is also a sure fire way to regain it, after the period of starvation is over. We all know that there is a better way to both lose weight and then maintain that loss.

Dr Atkins goes into great derail about his FAT FAST. With a number of menu items.

One is an 8 oz. block of cream cheese.

His point was to use this if 20 carbs didn't work. It was for the rare person. And not to follow for more than 5 days.

Me, I can skip all meals for one day. But one food passes these lips, its full meals. Not ,400 calories. Too low signals "starvation" to the body and it goes into survival mode.

Keto and carnivore, at higher calorie intake, overrides this traction. Dr Atkins showed that higher calories on keto worked better to drop body fat. Not less.

I had clicked on the link yesterday and read enough to find out it was a 400-800 calorie diet and was in absolute shock that they would intentionally put someone on that strict of a diet.

At least it was less than 3 months.



That was one of the first things I thought of too, that it's just medically supervised kimkins and yes their hair will likely start falling out within a couple weeks of "finishing" the diet.

And this:


Why did they even feel the need to conduct this study?

I certainly hope that they followed up on these poor stooges after the study was completed so they would see that this is NOT the way to lose weight. I mean unless their goal was to destroy half their muscle, including heart muscle.

I wondered the same thing. How could anyone believe that this research needed to be done? I wonder how informed was the required informed consent of the research subjects. I suspect the fact that subjects agreed to participate reflects the desperation of people who are obese. I suspect also that they were sold a bill of goods masquerading as science.

It's to scare people away from keto. When keto isn't about the restriction, but they are stuck on calories. NO, it is the effect of the calories.

They have to slander the good, to sell the bad. See how you can still eat treats, we just reduced the calories!

Part of their conclusion was that this ridiculous starvation keto diet reduced oxidative stress and improved metabolic health.

Although a regular keto diet should do the same thing.

I think they just wanted to make sure that obese people suffered - punishment for allowing themselves to become obese.

"You don't really need to eat - you can live off your fat for the next 12 weeks. But Ok, we'll allow you pitiful amounts of food anyway. Even though you've already had more than your share of the world's food."

Did anyone else notice how few made it through the study?



Maybe those are not unusual numbers to be considered, eliminated, and quit, then end up with so few completing it.

I would never take part in a starvation study like that one.