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Old Sun, Aug-11-24, 08:40
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I saw the funniest damn thing the other day. There was an article by the chief resident scientist at some vegetarian organization in the EU, and his name was Pinto. His last name was Pinto, as in Pinto beans. He was totally ignoring and discounting the fact that Olympic athletes were asking for more meat in the Olympic cafeteria. Apparently, this guy Pinto, who, again, is named after a legume, decided that the decision to go "60% meatless" at the Olympics was a good move and that the athletes just needed to accept the "scientific consensus" that plant-based protein is just as effective and offers just as much performance benefit as animal protein.

This is another case of “don’t believe your lying eyes,” that the authorities who supposedly have our best interest in mind continually try to foist upon us.

Only this time it’s even worse because they are telling athletes with decades upon decades of the most intense training and recovery known to man that everything they believe about diet and especially animal protein in the diet was all wrong. Everything they’ve done to recover from their intense training has been mistaken. Everything they’ve done to get themselves to the upper echelon of their sport, as represented by their inclusion and appearance in the Olympics 2024, has been misguided. They didn’t need the eggs, steak, chicken, fish, or dairy to get them where they are today. They could’ve just had tofu and almond milk and oat milk. It is absolutely insane what they’re doing to these athletes.

But the best part of all this is that even though the Paris Olympics had pledged to be 60% meatless, claiming that the 2024 Olympics would be the most sustainable of all time and they would do this by enforcing compulsory vegetarianism on all the athletes at over half of the meals, they had to reverse course. The athletes complained so much about the lack of animal protein that the catering company in charge of the Olympics reversed course immediately and began ordering tons of steaks, eggs, and other sources of animal protein.

This whole episode fills me with confidence for the future. You can’t outsmart biology. Eventually, all your fanciful ideas about the way things should be will run up against cold, hard reality. And the biological reality is that athletes need animal protein and lots of it.

We are going to win. Real food, including real meat, will win, but it’s gonna take a lot of kicking and screaming. It may not be easy, but rest assured that you can’t circumvent biology.

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Can you imagine? What if the athletes and trainers has simply rolled over and said OK, sure let's throw out every bit of research that has ever been done on how diet affects athletic performance and rely on plant protein during the olympics.

I haven't followed the games that closely, but I'm sure there were already plenty of injuries and pulled muscles - which require high quality animal protein to repair.

With the way they push themselves during competition, if they'd given in and settled for a plant based diet, I'm imagining not only almost every athlete sustaining injuries that take ages to heal, but absolutely no new world records (except for perhaps the number of injuries), and athletes collapsing after their event (if they were even able to finish the event).

It would have been bad enough for the food service organizers to decide that the spectators should have very limited access to animal proteins and be stuck with tofu, oat milk, lentils, and quinoa (at prime quality meat prices), but subjecting the athletes to that is just...

I don't even have words any more for just how ridiculous and unconscionable it was of them to make that unilateral decision for everyone.
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I don't even have words any more for just how ridiculous and unconscionable it was of them to make that unilateral decision for everyone.


It's difficult to argue with a survival drive. But it's a false one, created by powdered carbs and artificial ingredients.
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Can you imagine? What if the athletes and trainers has simply rolled over and said OK, sure let's throw out every bit of research that has ever been done on how diet affects athletic performance and rely on plant protein during the olympics.
And never mind the research, just personal experience. Athletes are very ingrained in their routines - sometimes it's superstition, but much of it is real and biological. You probably can't just take chicken/pasta/whey protein people and suddenly try to feed them completely different foods and expect no reactions from their bodies in terms of performance.

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It would have been bad enough for the food service organizers to decide that the spectators should have very limited access to animal proteins and be stuck with tofu, oat milk, lentils, and quinoa (at prime quality meat prices), but subjecting the athletes to that is just...

I don't even have words any more for just how ridiculous and unconscionable it was of them to make that unilateral decision for everyone.
Agreed. And with security as tight as it was, I'm sure most of these athletes were sort of a captive audience when it came to the food. I bet they couldn't just DoorDash a rotisserie chicken or whatever other groceries they wanted. (Though I'd be interested in hearing about what options they had if they wanted "off-campus" food.)

I've made this point before, but so many of the replacement foods for animal proteins are common allergens - so common that it's the law in many countries, including France, that they're declared and highlighted on labels. Soy, wheat, and nuts would be the big ones. The people pushing this 'sustainable' diet love to casually ignore that.
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I've made this point before, but so many of the replacement foods for animal proteins are common allergens - so common that it's the law in many countries, including France, that they're declared and highlighted on labels. Soy, wheat, and nuts would be the big ones. The people pushing this 'sustainable' diet love to casually ignore that.


A point worth making again and again, though. There's hardly a place where people live where seasonality and local genetic adaptations doesn't matter.

Yet we have allowed shiny theories to replace the finely balanced system which created good health in all those people Weston Price studied. We came up with fake food, and it's amazing how people are starting to realize it.

Considering how any sensible thought is hard to sustain with the avalanche of plant-based propaganda. And the way they equate anything with sugar and starch with health, and everything else isn't.

It makes no sense.
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