You know, I used to think I'd just *have* to have any of them sooner or later, but now, 19 months into the program I don't really care for them any more. You *know* things have changed when you can go to Red Lobster and have them put the cheese biscuits right in front of you and you just push them aside because you don't really want them!! I rarely even use the 'substitutes' either. When I do substitute I use low carb bread, low carb soy pasta, cauliflower mashed 'potatoes', soy crumbles (or sometimes brown basmati rice) for a side dish. I'm truly grateful and relieved the 'real' things no longer haunt me. It took a while, but now they're just 'part of the landscape'. If you find you are *really really* craving them, you may want to check out the forum on candida/IBS

http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdis...p?forumid=77&s=

...you may have a candida problem and it's the candida that's making you crave what IT wants you to eat so it can survive! I used to think I was possessed--only to find out I WAS! By candida!