"Surrender to Win" I really like that Idea, and I totally understand "It wasn't until I was completely hopeless that I had any hope at all!" I went through depression and it wasn't until I was completely hopeless that I found the help and hope to recover. I'm not there yet when it comes to food, and I don't want to get that hopeless again ever. Do you have to hit rock bottom to overcome cumpulsive overeating? I am willing to surrender now!