I missed the show, but read the transcript. It seems that Trager won that debate, stating the Atkins position very well.

Personally, I was feeling pretty good, and much enjoyed the salmon, capon and duckling I cooked. But yesterday and today I continued with the wine and pumpkin pie, today added a few crackers. So by now, I show signs of diabetes and low energy. Time to go fix myself some leftover duck, and stop eating those carbs!

The only proof I need is how it makes me feel.

Happy Holidays!