It was an interesting debate with the moderator having to reel in the participants some of the time and Ornish running off on his own tangents.

What I found interesting was the lack on his and the atkins advocate willingness to recognize that they each have excellent points but each diet was and is designed for a different purpose.

While Atkins is a weight control program, the other was essentially a program designed to address specific health problems with weight as a secondary issue...the poor guy from the NIH made that point over and over...his position supported both and his information was a good way to view a maintainence phase