And the other virtual high fives. I've stopped the hrt and don't know whether I'll have hot flashes or not. Will see I guess in the next few days. However, will fiddle around with the alternatives you've suggested. For a non-math person, I seem to be awash in counting these days. I've started recording my intake on the Fitday site which is a really useful site. Once again my hope helium balloon is aloft on the possibilities that eliminating hormone and cutting calorie will nudge me out of stall. In the meantime, I have lamb flavoured with rosemary stew waiting in my crock pot for dinner. Great little appliances crock pots. Especially after a long day at work.