Ok Karen. I'm one of those confused people. Thanks for clearing that up. I don't know why I thought the fiber wasn't minused out. I even started a thread asking about it. But didn't get a great explanation. I still get terribly confused looking at your math. But I trust you understand it. What was the 22 X 4 about? With the risk of seeming just plain stupid, I admit I don't quite get it. Victoria