thank you so much for the info. it is greatly appreciated. the bars are fantastic tasting but.... they always get you with the hidden carbs!! sooo complicated. i knew it was too good to be true but lived in denial of it. i haven't weighed in a while so i don't know if they have effected my loss at all. but i am going to stop. save the ones i have left for those really bad craving days. the chips and crackers are really gross. i can eat a lot of unpleasant things but this was like eating sawdusst. thanks for the heads up. bye & good luck -goodnugg