thanks for the info. i too am ticked by folks jumping on this lcing bandwagon and not knowing what the he-- they are talking about. i have found that lots of people confuse low carb with atkins. it's not the same. actually i went to barnes and noble book store looking for low carb recipe books for variety. well let me tell you that low carb to one is not lcing on atkins!!! the recipes were loaded with potatoes, pasta, breads, sugar galore...go figure. so now i only trust atkins books, atkins products before any other. now i wonder if the other (besides atkins) lc products are honest or have they tweeked the nutrition label for their own benefit. would not surprise me. also nutrisystem (i believe) and curves have developed lc plans for their members. sounds identical to atkins but without giving the credit where due. what a sneeky way of getting clients--just don't call it atkins. anyway that's my two cents.