I agree with you Pam, however a lot of this comes down to education. If the governement keeps repeating that bread and pasta is an integral part of healthy eating, most people choose to believe them. Especially since the message is picked up and repeated ad nauseum by every health professional and so-called journalist. I'm sure that when people were first told to cut down on red meat they said... what ? are you nuts ? But now it's accepted. That's what the low-fat (mis)education campaign did.