I have to agree with etoiles here. It isn't that the PCRM is being argued against in many of these threads-it is vegetarians in general. The first post on this thread makes that pretty clear. I don't force my dietary preferences on other people, I would like the same respect shown to me. What difference does it make what the heck I choose to eat or not eat? I keep low carb and that is all that is required here.