mb99 - that was very well said. It also may help to argue those who argue against Atkins with logic and calories - there are several threads in the war zone. It is nice when people start commenting on your weight loss, but I often end up in discussions about the merits or crazyness/fadness of Atkins and SBD with intelligent people. Your argument to not forget the calories out, and that exercise isn't the only way to increase the "calories out" is right on the ball! Thanks!