It's funny, but Atkins is one of the more extream at lowering carbs, and I think those of us on this WOL get a bit of a biased view on what is low carb.

I was reading through a LC cookbook, and most of the reicpes were around 20-30 net carbs. I was rolling my eyes and grumbling how that wasn't really "low carb". Then I started thinking. Compaired to the hundreds of empty carbs a typical American eats at every meal those recipes were very low carb. They just weren't the extream I was used to looking for in recipes.

Sorry I know it's off topic. Just you talking how 20-25 net carbs is higher carb (I know it's over the initial 20) made me think of how we look at carbs differently now You think the Zone people or CAD guys are laughing at us? *peers at thier forums suspiciously*