Sallie - fitday.com is a wonderful tool....and I certainly plan on utilizing it this time around....and perhaps read the numbers more carefully too...the only thing was just like this forum, once I "screw" up, I quit using them...so this time, I hope to like I said..take it a meal at a time...and your right about that magic number, I need to figure out what it is....thanks so much for the advice, and I wish you much success,..I'm sure with your will power your plateau won't last much longer....thanks Sallie