Potato, Ouch!

I always look before I leap, freezes here as well. Only one winter in upstate NY since I have been here do I recall no snow or ice. In fact, usually able to ride snowmobile, four wheeler, ice boat or truck (take your pick) across the bay around Christmas time.

WCOLLIER, you are correct IMO. Someone that did not try to help themselves before asking is annoying. In fact, that is why I spent as much time as I did researching HELP here before I mentioned the problem I was having. BUT AFTER being frustrated long enough, I succumbed Thank You for the help ROSEBUD