Changed forever --- Just saw Forks Over Knives and Food, Inc.
Has anyone else watched either of these two documentaries? They have really changed my long held views. I can't stop thinking about them both.
I have been a tried and true carnivore most of my life (except for a few months in high school, after reading The Jungle by Upton Sinclair where I switched from meat to Devil Dogs!). Since seeing these two movies 3 days ago, however, I have not had an ounce of meat, or dairy (eggs included) and only a little oil. I feel so confused about what to eat, as I'm so much a low carb believer, except that the plant-based whole foods things really seems to make sense to me right now. I truly can't believe what an impact these movies had on me. I learned that Casein from dairy actual can "turn on" cancer. Reason enough for me to try and learn to live without it. I very much want to lose weight and LOVE low carb, but I am completely turned off by meat and dairy right now. I think I may be turning to this section of the forum much more than I used to. |
Hi,
IMO every way of eating has it's proponents that slam the opposite way, kwim? And all of them are convincing. I dare you to search youtube. Or even google scholar :lol: I'm not 100% vegetarian or anything, but I do have a lot more plant foods than a strictly LC approach would allow. I think it's doable without using much dairy or meat. I am 100% off of grains, beans and potatoes. I keep my proteins to about 40g daily or less, and calories under 1,500. The losing is much slower this way, but I'm ok with that. I eat a couple of eggs a day with veggies; one meal is usually a salad with avocado, tomato, slivered almonds and some goat cheese (you could omit); dinner might be a piece of fish, chicken or other meat, more veggies, and half a piece of fruit. Snacks are nuts, sliced pepper, cucumbers, etc. Give it a shot...use a nutrition tracker of some sort so you see what you are getting. BTW, just anecdotal, but I have a lifelong friend who has been as close to 100% organic/vegetarian since the age of 25. She won't even use lotion or shampoo that isn't organic...very very little dairy....and she had colon cancer at the age of 59. My cousin, also a vegetarian, had breast cancer. So going vegetarian isn't going to guarantee anything. Just saying'. If I could go 100% vegetarian (as I was from age 18 to maybe 37) I would. It just doesn't work for a diabetic though. No starches for me. Anyway, do your research (who knows what studies/size studies/funding for said studies were used for these films) and don't make life-altering decisions based solely on opinions of guys who make movies. Wish you the best! |
FWIW, I am a vegan AND a diabetic. Starting with an A1C of 9.4, I dropped to an A1C of 5.7 within three months of becoming a vegan. I eat oatmeal, brown rice, sweet potatoes, beans, lentils and various other carby foods. I watch my carbs, but only those from processed foods. I don't eat any of those at all.
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Thanks for all the feedback. I'm definitely struggling.
I think I am eating fish, but no dairy and other meat. No cheese. Very little processed foods as I'm working on this. I am not sure how I feel about oils now. Too many carbs for sure, but again, not sure what I should be eating for optimal health. Was down a few pounds but am sure as I'm eating bread, the pounds will come back on. |
I have watched forKS over knives, and a lot of the other documentaries, my main reason for doing this is my health. I just feel better eating this way. That being said, I tried going lowcarb using meat and the pain was unimaginable. When your body reacts to inflammation as badly as mine does, meat never enters the equation.
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I can't do much in the way of beef anymore. Pain.
Have you watched Cowspiracy? I have only seen about 5 minutes. My vegan son keeps reminding me to watch it. |
now that you've watched those movies, watch Fathead, listen to Gary Taubes, Dr. Robert Lustig, Mark Sisson, Michael Eades, Jimmy Moore, Dr. Jason Fung.
So much information out there on staying healthy... not propaganda. good luck. |
https://www.westonaprice.org/our-bl...prevent-cancer/
Caseine turning on cancer--sort of. Not really. Sometimes limiting an amino acid can limit growth--both in the full organism, and in a cancer. Campbell was involved in some work intended to alleviate protein malnutrition in poor children with peanuts as the protein source. It was discovered after this that aflavotoxins in peanuts cause liver cancer. Subsequently, he did the studies showing that low protein intake decreased the cancer promoting effects of aflavotoxin. Animals meeting their amino acid requirements from plant proteins aren't protected vs. animals meeting their amino acid requirements from caseine--since with an incomplete protein, protein requirements go up, at the same total protein intake, gluten fed animals are effectively more protein restricted than caseine fed animals. And then there's this; Quote:
Aside from anything else, how do we know that the animals that died from more direct toxic effects of aflatoxin weren't just the ones that would have gone on to develop liver cancer, if they'd been fed a less ridiculous diet? Nothing against vegetarian diets, you just need enough protein. |
teaser, but no humans are dropping dead from vegetarian diets. It's not like it's a new thing or a fad diet and we just haven't discovered how dangerous it is yet. I'm not arguing against the need for protein, just that vegetarians get enough of it without going out of our way to try. Humans seem to thrive just fine on vegetarian diets, probably because we don't subsist purely on peanuts. :lol:
I really agree with gonwtwindo here, all sides have really good arguments and all that, but in the end it seems it doesn't matter all that much for the person consuming the diet. Studies show that vegetarians don't live that much longer on average really, at best we get a couple years more than meat eaters. I'm only not eating animals because I care about them and could never kill one myself, not for health or political reasons. |
I'm not saying they are. I'm just responding to this;
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Just the scientific claim bothers me, no problem with the philosophy or ethics of vegetarianism. I have no problem with plant proteins, they do increase total protein requirements to satisfy all amino acid requirements (or a little old-fashioned protein mixing), but who cares? So eat a bit more plant protein, not a big deal for most people. I don't even have a problem with peanuts. The liver cancer from peanuts in humans came down to unethical peanut butter producers not bothering to sort out rancid peanuts before making peanut butter. I don't think I'd buy a jar of peanut butter that said "made in China." I worry about binging on peanuts, but not much else. |
Sorry teaser, I was being a bit hangry (still adjusting to ketosis) and I really shouldn't be allowed to visit forums when that happens. I don't know anything about the casein thing honestly and should have just kept my mouth shut! :o
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Serves me right for responding to a two year old claim. :lol:
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I finally found a vegan meetup group in my area, their next meeting is a week from this Saturday. I will be going. My eating habits made an impact on my DIL. She is experimenting with vegetarianism. For animal rights issues.
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