Weight-loss drugs change shopping habits
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...gs-retail-food/ |
Unless the ones who are using the GLP-1 drugs can afford to pay for them on their own when they (inevitably) regain weight, they'd better keep several sizes of their plus sized clothes handy.
They may be eating a lot less food while on the drug, but if they're relying on insurance to foot the bill, they're only going to pay $1,000+/month as long as they're losing weight. Once the insurance company determines that you've lost enough weight, or your weight loss slows to the point that the drug is considered no longer effective, you'll be on your own - to either pay to continue the drug, or white knuckle your way through constant cravings for the foods that you could eat a couple of bites of and want no more while on the drug. The drug is controlling their appetite. Take the drug away, and the appetite will most likely come back with a vengeance. Admittedly there might be a few people who don't end up eating their way back up the scale after they stop taking the drugs - but they're eating the same diet they ate that ended up causing them to gain so much weight. Quote:
I feel like telling her "oh you sweet summer child, you have no idea how naive you are" She obviously doesn't understand what eating intuitively really is - right now a drug is in charge of her "intuitive eating". Once she no longer has access to that drug, her natural intuitive eating patterns will be back in full force.... and there she is with a ton of ice cream pints in her freezer. I'd almost bet that within a couple weeks of stopping the drug, every one of those pints will be gone, and there will be zero willpower to resist buying more. |
My first reaction is always envy.
But reality then hits hard. Just keep working a low carb or no carb menu, and get the same results. Or almost. Slower weight loss but get to keep more of the muscle. And learn how to keep the weight off!! |
From someone I follow in X. Still holding her loss weight as of last month: "I started keto in 2018 weighing in at 251 lbs at 5’6”. In 2019 I hit a stall at 200lbs and maintained that weight +/- 5lbs until 2021 when I began a slow regain until I hit 220.2 lbs in August 2022. I never cheated in that time and was eating carnivore. In August 2022, I asked my doctor, an obesity specialist, for an RX for Mounjaro after reading about it. He counseled me on the pros and cons but felt it could help me. Since then, I’ve gone from 220 to 156 and will fight like hell to maintain knowing the relapse rate is high." A post a month ago in response to a stupid comment about keto being like a fast: "As someone who RELIGIOUSLY followed keto and then carnivore for over 4 years, I can tell you that my food noise, obesity and comorbidities did not resolve until I took Mounjaro 2 years ago. This drug has saved my life." End quote from 5 weeks ago.
How many years should she have "just keep working low carb"? She tried for 4 years…Before she woke up to the fact that LC/keto/carnivore/fasting does not work for weight loss for everybody, especially not for her. She used the medications correctly with her doctor's supportand now maintains a healthy weight with high protein, moderate carb/fat diet, resistance training. If as they indicate in the story, snacks are now high protein, less high fat keto junk on the shelves, we may all get healthier. :thup: |
Jey - That's great for the lady you follow on X - and she's determined to keep the weight off. I also realize that what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for anyone else. If this is working for her long term, more power to her.
Although frankly I'm surprised that her "food noise" is still gone while being off the drug since reaching 156 lbs (doesn't say how long she's been off of the GLP-1 - at least I'm assuming she's been off of it for a while, since she's saying she reached 156, and is determined to keep the weight off), because for most people the "food noise" seems to return as soon as each dose starts to wear off, and they are either (a) literally white knuckling it until the next dose kicks in, or (b) are so ravenous on those days that they give in and consider it to be a day or two of freedom to eat and drink as much junk as they want. The thing is that most people I've seen doing GLP-1 drugs are eating mostly starch - think saltines because whole grains are too difficult to digest. Very little protein, mostly in the form of protein shakes, because meat is way too hard to digest. Almost no fat. Maybe (MAYBE) some fruit and veggies. Eating so little keeps their calories down - as well as keeping their carbs well below RDA levels, because they just can't eat RDA levels of anything. So naturally they lose weight - you can't eat that little and NOT lose weight. (And to be clear, I think all of us on here realize that keto and carnivore are the most extreme versions of LC diets. If you're not satisfying your micronutrient needs on keto or carnivore, you can indeed end up exceeding your caloric needs in an attempt to satisfy nutritional needs. Also if you're lost weight to the point that your calorie intake has caught up with your calorie expenditure, you're not going to lose weight, and could very easily end up gaining weight, especially in an attempt to satisfy nutritional needs. On the other hand, we also know that even diets that are 120-150 carbs/day are still significantly lowER carb diets than recommended by the USDA. So even though most of us don't eat anywhere near that many carbs daily, and don't tend to consider them to be truly LC diets, they are still far lower in carbs than the DGA standards, and therefore still fall under the umbrella of carb restricted, if not truly LC) I just see far too many people treating the GLP-1 as if it's the only way to control food consumption. The food noise for some people has been turned down to a point where they end up "forgetting" to eat until late in the day, then barely eat anything at all when they do eat and then eating a few saltines or a banana fills them up to the point that they can't eat any more until they finally remember to eat something the next day... and that continues until that dose wears off, then the food noise is back with a vengeance and they eat and drink everything that they couldn't eat while the drug was in their system... until the next dose kicks in when they go back to barely eating anything again. They are losing weight of course - you can't help but lose weight when you eat so few calories, even if you have a day or two each week when you splurge and consume several times as much as you do on the GLP-1 effective days. Those are the people I really fear for what will happen when they inevitably are cut off by their insurance company - they can't control their eating for the day or two when the dose has worn off, how will they ever control it long term? As far as food manufacturers shifting to foods that appeal to those doing GLP-1 drugs, what we've seen so far is that they're saying their new improved meals are high protein - but the protein content is likely either the same or even less than in their previous offerings. Carbs are about the same as before, except when they're even higher than before, since carbs are easier to digest than protein on GLP-1 drugs. Dietary fat is minimal, since that's extremely difficult to digest on GLP-1 drugs, and is also in keeping with the DGA standards. One can hope that they'll shift to better nutrition overall, but as long as the RDAs are so strongly geared towards high carbs, low fat, and minimal protein, that in itself will stifle their eagerness to improve the ratios significantly. There many be less interest in candy, chips, and cookies in general on GLP-1 drugs, so that may ultimately reduce the amounts of those treats available in stores. Manufacturers may also cut back portion sizes on snack foods and candies to the point that someone on GLP-1 can buy a snack size container of chips or cookies that they can eat without feeling bad on them. (And people not on a GLP-1 will be complaining that the single serving size of M&M's or Pringles has been cut back but still costs as much as before - they really don't understand that the processing and packaging is a huge part of the cost) Just like the lady in the above article says she has a ton of ice cream in her freezer, but she only eats a couple bites at a time, so she's significantly reduced the portion of her treats - she still wants her treats, she's just eating less of them. Which is certainly a significant improvement. My concern (and this may just be me and my addictive personality), but my concern is that once she no longer has a therapeutic dosage of GLP-1 in her system, she will be likely to slowly increase her few bites to a few more bites, and a few more bites... and eventually she'll be eating a whole container again. If she intends to maintain her weight loss, she'll either need to cut out the ice cream permanently and completely, or stay on a therapeutic dosage of GLP-1 for life. |
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