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CMCM Tue, Oct-01-24 14:20

Why Ketogenic Diet Can Backfire on your Health
 
I got this yesterday from Dr. Mercola. I'm not sure what to think about it at this point.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/...8&rid=130866958

Kristine Tue, Oct-01-24 15:58

He's just another Dr. Oz to me. Largely full of it.

cotonpal Tue, Oct-01-24 18:33

I believe that Mercola went off the deep end a long time ago and any credibility he might once have had is long gone.

JEY100 Wed, Oct-02-24 03:42

I also am not a fan of Dr Mercola (nor other doctors who jumped on the keto bandwagon without understanding its limitations) but do agree with him that a "high fat keto diet" is not optimal long term. He is evaluating a Review paper of many other studies which indicated the cardiology problems before. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...4000410#abs0002

Doctors like Peter Attia (Outlive) evaluated the research 3+ years ago and abandoned Keto diets and fasting except for therapeutic use. Good info in his book on the ideal approach to managing CVD risk and blog posts.


Elevated blood lipids on "keto" are a huge confusing topic, but after ten years of defending my wonky cholesterol results (to my Duke GP) I added more nutrient dense healthy carbs, like vegetables, fruit and NF yogurt, and substituted the heavy cream, high fat cheese, fatty meats, bacon, sausage, pepperoni, pork rinds etc. with healthier choices to improve both my lipid panel and nutrition. My low carb diet is completely satiating for fewer calories with smart substitutions and it easily maintains my goal weight, nutrition and health markers.

CMCM Wed, Oct-02-24 12:01

You're all probably right. I've known about Mercola for at least 20 years and have always had some misgivings about him and what he says. I was also put off by his commercialism with his very expensive vitamins etc.

I got a used library book of Mercola's called "Fat for Fuel", from 2017 I think. It actually has some very good technical yet understandable information about mitochondria as well as other basic information that I know to be on target from other things I've read over the years. I haven't finished the book yet, so I don't know if he comes up with anything wacky in the stuff I haven't read. But since I was reading this particular book, I was kind of surprised to see that article come from him.

Well, over 20+ years I've done a lot of reasonable diets and I ALWAYS go back to Atkins '72 to lose weight effortless,ly easily, painlessly, and relatively fast. I wouldn't live on that diet forever, but it has its uses short term.

WereBear Thu, Oct-03-24 06:06

Mixing truth with the lie is a very old technique. I think what works best for each of us is something we have to figure out.

I did Atkins backwards, but carnivore did wonders, and I could do 20 grams of carbs, easily. But now, still struggling with autoimmune, I'm oxalate clearing with Sally K Norton techniques, and it's awesome.

But this creates problems out in the world, where my "plant based content" is deemed far too low, and I will suffer from lack of fiber. When my system complains if I have salad two days in a row. But this doesn't happen with coconut wraps.

In addition, I still eat lots of fermented fat, which makes a big difference for me. I put cream cheese or sour cream in my smoothies, especially in the winter. I think that might make a difference, because we don't eat cultured butter anymore. I love it, but it's for making veggies taste better, IMO. I'm very sensitive to their bitterness, too. I love sour, but not bitter. And I don't get along with plants, generally.

So your own efforts with Atkins Induction/Keto might be a case of using it for the therapeutic effect. While I do well with lots of protein and fat. But recently, gf bread for satiety, a starch, does work.

Maybe a summer thing. Traditionally, people would have been eating low carb in the winters, before we stored food.

Nancy LC Thu, Oct-03-24 10:08

How about watching someone that actually reviews the studies, finds the gray areas, and can explain all that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tla-JrqhhHI

And regarding Mercola: If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's Mercola. (That sounded funny until I typed it out. I'm insinuating he's a quack.)

CMCM Thu, Oct-03-24 10:42

Quote:
Originally Posted by WereBear
Mixing truth with the lie is a very old technique. I think what works best for each of us is something we have to figure out.

I did Atkins backwards, but carnivore did wonders, and I could do 20 grams of carbs, easily. But now, still struggling with autoimmune, I'm oxalate clearing with Sally K Norton techniques, and it's awesome.

But this creates problems out in the world, where my "plant based content" is deemed far too low, and I will suffer from lack of fiber. When my system complains if I have salad two days in a row. But this doesn't happen with coconut wraps.

In addition, I still eat lots of fermented fat, which makes a big difference for me. I put cream cheese or sour cream in my smoothies, especially in the winter. I think that might make a difference, because we don't eat cultured butter anymore. I love it, but it's for making veggies taste better, IMO. I'm very sensitive to their bitterness, too. I love sour, but not bitter. And I don't get along with plants, generally.

So your own efforts with Atkins Induction/Keto might be a case of using it for the therapeutic effect. While I do well with lots of protein and fat. But recently, gf bread for satiety, a starch, does work.

Maybe a summer thing. Traditionally, people would have been eating low carb in the winters, before we stored food.


Atkins is definitely therapeutic for me, I hadn't thought of it that way before. I have celiac disease, but it was undiagnosed back in 2003 when I first did Atkins. What a world of difference it was....on Atkins I felt good (especially digestively) for the first time I could remember. I realized a few years afterwards that it was because I wasn't eating any grains, among other things. Celiac is an autoimmune condition, so it's good I finally found out because if you keep eating gluten that will trigger more autoimmune conditions. I was having a lot of joint aches, for example. That goes away without grains.

I don't eat much dairy because I've had problems with dairy since birth, but right now I lean towards small amounts of cream cheese and sour cream, and the approx. 4T per day whipped half and half I put in my cappuccino each morning. I have never drunk milk and of course ice cream is disaster for me. So dairy in general I have a lot of problems with, but small amounts of the above I get away with, no issues at all.

As much as I truly love most vegetables, they generally wreak havoc on my system with bloating and gas, and sometimes more. So I'm always walking a fine line on my vegetable vs. meat input. Most meats don't bother me at all. What a conundrum! So in any case, this version of Atkins really suits me but I do feel that at a later point I have to work back into my diet more vegetables and some limited fruit.


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