Forever Strong
A new book, Forever Strong, A new science-based strategy for aging well, by Dr. Gabrielle Lyon will be released on October 17th. In advance of release, she has been on a number of podcasts, and in addition to her own podcast channel. She is a practicing physician with a specialty in Geriatrics and Nutritional Science, with protein research in Dr Don Layman's lab. Her practice focuses on Muscle-Centric Medicine.
This morning I listened to her on Cynthia Thurlow's podcast. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000630512707 The interview includes the importance of protein for women's health and the impact of intermittent fasting on muscle health. [not good, about min. 46] There are free resources are available on her website. https://drgabriellelyon.com/# an archive of her podcasts with Dr Layman, Dr. Naiman, Dr Eenfeldt and others in the higher protein, lower carb space. |
Thank you for this. I plan to explore further.
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Interesting!!!
Funny how I'm of an age now to be interested in geriatrics. More funny since some years ago a primary dumped me and all her patients to take on the old folks. Forgot to include... Was able to convince my mother to increase her meat intake a couple years ago. She is now late 80's. |
She did geriatrics because there was a fellowship available for that sub specialty. Dr Lyon also works with the Special Operations Military and specializes in fitness and performance. A broad background in muscle centric health.
Doctors view the older adult population as divided into three life-stage subgroups: the young-old (approximately 65 to 74 years old), the middle-old (ages 75 to 84 years old), and the old-old (over age 85). Even the "young old" get questions on fall risk, cognitive ability, etc. |
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Four years ago at the “young” age of 70, in mile 3 of my daily walk with my dog, I caught my toe as I walked briskly down a moderate slope. I fell and broke my wrist. I was able to get back up, retrieve my dog who had not run off and then walk the additional 1/2 mile home. I called my son who then drove me to the ER. Doogie Howser at the ER treated me as if my age was the only important variable. Among other things, as I was getting ready to leave he asked me if I wanted a sling or did I think I was going to fall again, as if my age was the important variable not my apparent healthy physical condition or the fact that my fall was the result of the kind of accident that could easily happen to anyone of any age. In fact he had not bothered to ask me how the fall occurred. I guess he just assumed it was probably age related. Humph! |
Janet, many thanks for sharing this.
I have the book on order ahead of it's release on the 17th. |
An article in the Times this morning ahead of publication:
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Demi, Thank you for posting this long book summary!
I'm all in with all those protein recommendations now, but good grief! I'm not even close on her resistance and strength exercises :( wear a weighted vest all day? Strength and conditioning in the morning, with resistance session 6 hours later? And more….so.much.more. I hope she has some beginner, out of shape senior program that cuts this down to the essentials. Like her mentor Dr Don Layman, that 100g of protein rec. is an minimum for everyone, esp. older women. 1 g. protein per pound of ideal body weight works even better for weight loss (Marty Kendall suggests working up to that) and 30-50 g for the first meal is key to being satiated all day. Eating enough protein is only possible for me in at least an 8 hour "window", cannot eat more than about 80 G protein at one meal. Bacon, sausage, cheese, HWC, cream cheese, and pork rinds are higher in fat than protein. Alternative low fat protein sources: https://optimisingnutrition.com/protein-rich-foods/ |
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This is often the problem, recommendations that are too extreme for us “seniors” or us relative beginners. And I wonder, is that much focus on exercise really necessary? I am not asking if exercise is necessary but rather do we really have to be planning our whole day around it? And then there is her recommendation to take Mitopure which, at best, if you subscribe to automatic shipments every 2 months, cost $100 a month. It makes me wonder what her target demographic is, not just by age but in terms of finances. I don’t disagree with her basic premise, protein and strength training but I wish it were more focused on the common woman. I pre-ordered her book and I am sure I can gain something from it but I am beginning to suspect that I will find it not directed towards me. I am probably not her demographic. Maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised, |
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When my mother-in-law was told by her doc to up her protein, he said to have peanut butter on crackers as an afternoon snack. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
My situation puts me in a nutritional bind. I'm just off years of cancer treatment and absolutely at a loss about my nutritional health. While I was having chemo, I had a blood draw every 3 weeks. Now I have no way to track what food is doing for my body. I've always made lots of red blood cells, but my last test showed too much calcium in my blood. If I were to go to a nutritionist, she would advise me to eat lots of carbs because that's what they're conditioned to do. My energy levels vary, too.
Really don't want to risk too much of ANYTHING. |
Glenda, Have you considered Optimising Nutrition for Micronutrients? It requires close tracking of food intake using a database with about 80 nutrients. I find that class requires the most detail work but Jean started with this class info. The food lists and recipes make it easier now to find the optimal foods for you. There are about 30 dietary patterns offered, inc. Therapeutic Ketogenic.
https://optimisingnutrition.com/are...ant/#more-26526 Easier, consider eating " The Most Nutrient Dense, Health Promoting Foods Focus only on these lists, esp.Dairy, and drop any supplements. All nutrient dense foods: https://optimisingnutrition.com/nutrient-dense-foods-2/ Calcium: https://optimisingnutrition.com/cal...ds-and-recipes/ |
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Having giant datapools of people to target has created micro-customer bases. So it's entirely possible she's aiming at people with lots of disposable income. They are used to taking dramatic steps; in fact, they prefer it. :lol: Or perhaps it's the media who are pressing the flashy parts, from a press release who wants them to. I hope the book covers all levels of ability, and that means financial, too. I appreciate my favorite authors who offer an array of alternatives. We are people who are just barely able to keep it together, as DH and I heal from having stress related illnesses during a time of great stress :lol: I usually go up and down three flights of stairs at least once a day, and my writing studio doesn't have a desk, but a mattress on the floor. I get more energy from my writing sessions because I'm not holding myself upright at a desk for long periods. Getting down to, and up from, almost-the-floor is one of my daily strategies to build movement into my day. Quote:
I thought I lost weight to help my joints. Now I have to buy removable fat? That sounds... weird. |
The book was published today, and the Optimal Protein podcast with Vanessa Spina interviews Dr Gabrielle Lyon about Muscle Centric Medicine.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000631519674 Excellent discussion in first half about why OMAD does NOT support muscle protein synthesis and weight loss. Her Longevity Plan is Two meals a day…at least 50 grams Protein at First and last meal. (Or more) In between you may need to add a snack or light meal of protein. FF yogurt, cottage cheese plus protein powder or a shake works well for me to get my total protein up to 145 g (1 g P per pound of ideal weight) for few calories. Like Don Layman, this is a minimum of 100g of protein for everyone, especially seniors, spread over the day. Eating all your protein at dinner has negatives she explains. The biggest advantage to me Eating at least 50g at the first meal is satiety….throughout the day to the snack or last meal, no evening snacks, etc. Second half includes carb threshold per meal, essential fats ( very little) and a lesson about mindset from a Navy Seal. Dr Lyons' own podcast today is also about the book. |
Dr Lyon on Good Morning America with Forever Strong exercises.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...h-age-104193181 |
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I remember vegans insisting we are "poisoning ourselves" with protein. But I CANNOT easily get 60 to 80 grams of protein throughout the day from foods like beans, legumes, -instant digestive upsets - broccoli - too high in fiber-- and whole grains which are loaded with oxalate and the protein is in the gluten, which is the WORST thing I can eat. We are fighting metric tonnes of money who don't want us to use science and/or sense and/or the signals from our own bodies. No wonder they can't admit they have been so radically wrong for so very long. The outrage would destroy them. Only, some of them deserve it. |
I was really surprised to hear Dr Lyon has no problem with the use of Ozempic.
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https://youtu.be/5WDHk8o0JPI?si=MMKLdhfrPQntla5M
At about minute 55, Dr Lyon talks about ozempic. As a binge eater I would love to have a positive experience such as she says she sees with her patients. Do the Dr's get kickbacks for prescribing? |
Dr Naiman uses it, and other WL drugs, for his patients who need it and then he closely monitors them. Doubt US doctors get anything now, the drug manufacturers do not even have enough supply, but the compounding versions sold on Instagram are worrying.
The newest episode with Dr Don Layman is very good! The large serving of protein at the first meal provides Satiety…the craving killer. I thought from the title he would cover Micronutrients more, but not much, mostly still the Macros. Quote:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000633995392 |
Demi recommended this new podcast with Dr Lyons, on The Genius Life with Max Lugavere
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Just listened to this podcast this morning. I like Dr. Lyon as she has worked closely with Don Layman who is one of the foremost authorities on protein and protein research. She refers to her approach as Muscle-centric Medicine, which is a very accurate term. As we age, maintaining and increasing muscle mass is the most critical component to prevent age-related health, mental, and physical decline. Consuming healthy whole foods emphasizing protein is key to supplying the building blocks to increase muscle mass while strengthening bones. The Genius Life podcast with Dr. Lyon is time well spent. Highly recommended. As for a good guide on resistance training, I can’t think of a better source than Body by Science by Doug McGuff and John Little. This is one of the most practical texts for fitness based on adequate recovery time. Therefore, it’s ideally suited for any age, but especially seniors. This is no typical multi set, gym-rat oriented weight lifting recommendations. Most can devise a fitness program from this book that provides a whole body workout from one to a couple times per week, with a core group of safe exercises all done in one set each. Best book I’ve read on fitness that provides the amount of resistance training one needs with minimal time spent in the gym, and maximizing the time required for adequate recovery to grow muscle and be ready for the next workout. |
YT/podcast with Dr Gabrielle Lyon was repeated today as part of Vanessa's Protein series.
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This was recorded back in October before Dr Lyon's book was released. Vanessa pre-recorded all of this new Protein Series to provide weekly content while she was on maternity leave. Basic explanations of Muscle Protein Synthesis, her Longevity approach, etc. https://youtu.be/yIIwayuLLzg?si=sFHFus8B5aNPjW7i |
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I agree totally about Body by Science. McGuff and Little are disciplines of Arthur Jones. McGuff has You Tube videos of his workouts using some of Jones' vintage Nautilus equipment. There are lots of parallels between Atkins and Jones being revelutionaries in their fields. |
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Good comparison, KDC. I’m flabbergasted that more don’t know about Body By Science. Who wouldn’t want to increase strength, increase muscle, and improve metabolic function in around 15-20 minutes a week? It’s a very safe routine for any age and definitely provides a very intense and effective workout. In addition, anyone at any fitness level can start slowly and realize benefits in a couple weeks. It’s not magic, and it can be done at home or in the gym. Another one who uses a similar approach is Dr. Wayne Westcott out of Quincy, MA. Here he is discussing the importance of resistance training, age, and the combination with protein to achieve muscle, bone, and metabolic health: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ITXco...ndex=10&pp=iAQB This can be done effectively at any age. I see so many fitness “gurus” recommending multiple sets of various exercises multiple times a week. Who has time for that and wants to put up with the risk of injury that inevitably comes with chronic workouts? The benefits of this slow, one set approach are indisputable. At one workout per week, there is ample time for recovery to achieve muscle health preventing sarcopenia that comes from getting older and being sedentary. |
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I have read Wescott's book about strength training for people over 50. He does a lot of work with nursing home residents and though I am not there yet, I am 77 years old. BTW, he is also a follower of Arthur Jones' protocols. |
Found a Dr Gabrielle Lyon TedX talk. The Midlife Muscle Crisis: why we've gotten obesity all wrong a wake-up call for anyone yo-yo dieting, fasting longer than 24 hours, not focusing on eating adequate protein every day, esp. as we age, and of course resistance exercise! Three steps:
Resistance exercise 3 days a week, until you want to quit, then do more Increase quality protein everyday Reach a Protein threshold first and last meal of the day. [it may be possible for some, but not easy , to reach adequate protein in less than 2/3 meals a day] This talk is Only 10 minutes and may save you life or at least keep you out of the nursing home. https://youtu.be/rvHfNEX09Iw?feature=shared |
From the lab of renown Protein and Exercise Researcher, Dr Stu Phillips:
The Coming of Age of Resistance Exercise as a Primary Form of Exercise for Health Quote:
Dr Phillips is an engaging interview guest. Dr Lyon interviewed him about a year ago on this: Protein Truths and Myths: Does it cause Cancer and Aging? https://youtu.be/9VwXfzZwwng?feature=shared https://journals.lww.com/acsm-healt...ise_as_a.7.aspx Dec 2023. |
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Phillips is a good source, and resistance to failure can easily be adopted by anyone at any age. Doug McGuff has some excellent videos on this, and he recommends the use of machines for those who may be concerned about weight training and balance. One thing that seems to be missing from the resistance exercise benefits listed is a major benefit: vastly improved bone density. It’s better than any other supplement. |
People didn't use to develop bones that shattered at a glance. In MIDDLE AGE.
There are cases of people in their forties, not knowing their bones are so fragile, keeping up with activities like mountain biking, and winding up with spinal injuries. I so agree that bone density is the key to good health. And where are people getting their calcium? Not from "oat milk." |
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