Vegetable Oils
 

THe above is from https://blog.virtahealth.com/well-f...ketogenic-diet/

Is this a back door way of saying stay away from the refined seed oils like corn oil, canola oil and the like??

Yes, it is exactly that. They are not simply hollow calories, they are damaging calories that induce inflammation and cause many additional problems to the issue of imbalance of omega 3 to omega 6. These are truly processed products.

Decent review talk on veggie oils and double bonds and stuff

https://youtu.be/v5_RO6Fgurw

Very hard to avoid when dining out. And with condiments.

Wish their phrasing was straight forward. It's like reading a double negative. Lol
Those oils got dumped from this pantry last month. Then realized all commercial salad dressings used them.

We have limited eating out.....just too hard. This month We are trying a wheat and glutin free month which shut the door on eating out completely for November.

I use Canola oil for deep frying and sesame oil for flavor in my stir fry. What should I use instead? Lard? Haven’t had any luck finding pure lard here. I thought Canola oil was better than vegetable oil.

There is a lot of controversy surrounding canola oil, but it does have a good omega 6/3 ratio, a good proportion of monounsaturated fat and has a high smoke point. If that works for you for deep frying, I wouldn't worry about it. I also use sesame oil for flavoring now and then. Goes great with soy sauce/tamari.

Thud's post with a link to Nina Teicholz's recent presentation on vegetable oils is very informative. Along with this link referencing the Composition of Fats table, you can make your own decisions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil

When I read about how high heat wrecks the oils I knew I needed to have a conversation with my teens about French fries, and how we use oils for cooking. FF are not something I buy but FF have a way of teens.

Trying to learn quick salute methods. Like wok type methods or restaurant quick pan saute.

Otherwise I have been using beef fat to saute and finish the dish with drizzle of oo or chunk of butter.

Interesting link Rob, I hadn't realised that palm oil was so high in saturated fat. I might have considered using it myself, except that butter is even higher still. :)

Another helpful video about Omega 3/6 Optimization from the folks at Keto Connect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKv2fy5XAIc

Not sure how I missed this One. A very good presentation.

When I went down the rabbit hole a couple summers ago looking at ALA, EPA, DHA, it became clear that plant source was of little value because humans cannot convert it to PEA and DHA in a meaningful amount. Ruminant animals can. And fish as well.

Grassfed beef has far better ratios, 1:4 which IMO is far better than grain fed. When grassfed stock is brought in for fattening, by three months on grain the ratios of the omegas has changed for the worse.

I did find my ruminant nutrition book, but haven't made time to relearn the material. I would like to understand if us humans are able to increase conversion of ALA to DHAand EPA.

I buy only small fatty fish because of the heavy metal concentrations in larger fish. Sprats and sardines. We tried one brand of cod liver oil and gave up gagging it down. Dogs enjoyed it. Pill form is treated to remove heavy metals.

I have wondered how a keto diet can keep the ratios balanced. It would take grass fed fats, imo.

Again with the helpful links. Thanks Rob, I'ma definitely scale back my chia seed consumption after watching this. :)

Grav you might look into the difference between whole seeds and ground. As I understand, whole seeds are not digested well as we cant get thru the coating. Birds rely on Grit to grind open seeds.

I have had good luck with palm oil. You'll like it in the summer Grav as it it turns to into a solid here during our winter (house kept a little cool) There are some issue with it's harvest and it can be an item of contention. I buy/bought what I thought was the most responisble version of it but you never know...

Tastes very unique - some hate it. I'm not one of them

https://forum.lowcarber.org/showthr...67&page=2&pp=15

The thought of eating Chia seeds always brings to mind Chia Pets.
Cha Cha cha Chia!

Rofl ......

Me too! :agree: :lol: :D

Hey, it's almost time to pick up a couple for gifts to our favorite relatives! :D :lol:

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olive oil
coconut oil
delicious and very healthy

Yes, those a great alternatives!!

Coconut and olive are my staple oils, too!

I have started to follow Julia CHilds method of finishing a sauce with a gob of butter!! LOL

New long and thorough Guide to Vegetable Oils from DietDoctor:

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

EXCELLENT article!!! Covered the topic very well.

This caught my attention:


I have been frustrated by the need to move to grassfed meats, especially beef ( as much of the fat is in the marbling so we eat it) and it is a lesser concern in poultry ( but still some concern). Meats are a big source of omega 6, AFTER removing the vegetable oils from my family's diet.
Grassfed meats used to be the norm; modern agriculture like commercial productio methods using grains causes the increase in omega 6 in our meats and drops the omega 3's.
Very difficult to get a 1;4 ratio. THough I see 1:1 on occasion, as if that is the optimal number.

My cooking meethods in the kitchen have changed markedly. Meats are lightly sauted, or boiled. Or roasted. The latter 2 use no extra oils but the choice of fat fot the saute is usually CO. And butter added at the end of the prep.

Kids like the idea of fried foods, but given what is currently known, Im pushing to eliminate these prep methods from our meals. ( BBQ and smoking is also not encouraged but dang it tastes soooo good.)



I wonder if the " lard" is from commercially fed hogs ( grain fed) or more traditional feeding like pasture and vegies and etc??
Only know of two commercial farms ( farms that produce for other tables beyond their own use) that pasture raise their hogs. Bet there are others.

Great read - thank you.

:)

Never say never when it comes to traditional diets--some were quite rich in omega 6 fatty acids, like the diet of the !Kung, with high reliance on mongongo nuts, a rich source of omega six fatty acids. I'm not saying we should start downing large amounts of corn oil, or try to get a source for mongongo nuts. But things aren't true because they fit our narrative, they're true because they're true.