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jamiSonu Sun, Sep-05-10 11:30

wTF !!! i gained on inDuction :O
 
OMG!! i gained back wid a few extra grams. i dont know??!!(i did feel lighter , i can walk more...dats wat kept me going)
but wat am i doing wrong am supposed to hav lost a few pounds??
is it cause ov my period ??!
i am on induction, i have my protiens n induction friendly veggies, gouda n philedelphia cheese. i take omega 3 and b-complex wid vitamin c supplements.
may b it was the decaf wid cream???
may b, iwas having only two meals n snacking usually wid coffee(decaf wid cream). am i supposed to increase my meals for d day?!
i dunnow, am really upset..y are'nt i losing weight..
HELP!

cnmLisa Mon, Sep-06-10 09:33

Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiSonu
OMG!! i gained back wid a few extra grams. i dont know??!!(i did feel lighter , i can walk more...dats wat kept me going)
but wat am i doing wrong am supposed to hav lost a few pounds??
is it cause ov my period ??!
i am on induction, i have my protiens n induction friendly veggies, gouda n philedelphia cheese. i take omega 3 and b-complex wid vitamin c supplements.
may b it was the decaf wid cream???
may b, iwas having only two meals n snacking usually wid coffee(decaf wid cream). am i supposed to increase my meals for d day?!
i dunnow, am really upset..y are'nt i losing weight..
HELP!


Whew! Take a breath and breathe. Now...breathe again.

As long as you are following the plan and staying within the induction food lists for items and quantity, I wouldn't let a few extra GRAMS of weight gain concern you. A few extra grams could be the difference between a cup of coffee and a good poop;) Plus, you say that your TOM is either already here or approaching...yes?. If so, it is not unusual for women to GAIN 1+ pounds due to hormone flucuations and water retention.

After peeking at your profile, it looks like you have not yet read any LC books, but you list Atkins as your plan. My best advice this early in the game is to purchase a copy of your chosen plan and read it, and read it again. There is a wealth of information in the book that explains the principles behind the plan you've chosen, how it works, why we follow certain guidelines at each stage of the weightloss journey and trouble shooting advice in case you're having a problem.

Read the book, follow the plan and relax. No need to get yourself worked up over a few extra grams.

Progress not perfection.

Lisa

jamiSonu Mon, Sep-06-10 10:33

Thank U lisa..
guess i am a bit constipated.:blush:
i am doing my diet , from wat i av learned through the internet. could you suggest a good book on atkins.. n easy.
as i live in UAE , it's not exactly an atkins friendly country.
( i see many people dieting, all on low calorie diets.)
but am so happy 2 b here dis is the first time in my life dat i av not given up.
this forum is a great help. GOD BLESS
:rheart:

cnmLisa Mon, Sep-06-10 12:14

Not knowing what the availability of different books in your country...

The newest book for Atkins "The New Atkins for a New You" by Dr's Westman, PHinney, and Volek is very simple and easy to follow.

Many of us (including me) prefer Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution--released in 2002.

Depending on shipping and what not--try the internet--a few sites that I can think of are Amazon.com and ABEbooks.com

HTH.

Glad you are breathing again.

Progress not perfection.

Lisa

jas1150 Sun, Sep-12-10 03:29

Hi, I live in Dubai as well and have been on Atkins since May end. You can get the new book at Magrudy's.
Jas

vesparia Sat, Sep-18-10 02:02

Hiya

Sorry to hijack the thread somewhat - but please be kind, this is my first post.

I've been doing induction for 5 days now and I haven't lost a single gram...in fact I seem to have gone up a few!

I eat the egg muffins (recipe on this site) in the morning, then a simple romaine lettuce salad for lunch (with some feta and black olives) and then something with meat for my dinner - usually a stir fry or homemade burgers. Yesterday at a restaurant I had steak with egg and bacon and a side salad.
I generally snack on some salami, some cheese or pieces of roast chicken that I cooked on my first day.

As for drinks, I generally have water (1.5l a day, roughly), peppermint tea and caffine-free diet coke.

My starting (and current!!) weight is 60kg and I'm looking to lose around 5kg. I don't know if it's important, but I am taking vitamin tablets and I'm on the pill.

Any advice would be most appreciated as it was so upsetting to see that, after all this effort, nothing has changed.

Thanks!

rpavich Sat, Sep-18-10 05:12

gone up a GRAM?

Uh...how can you even COUNT a gram?

You might want to read the book for whatever diet you are doing; Atkins, or whatever....

Grams?

C'mon...thats silly.

Kristine Sat, Sep-18-10 07:57

Pretty sure it's just a figure of speech, rpavich. This is an international forum. No need to be rude.

Vesparia, you're the same height as I am, and I should warn you: the scale is a really bad way to measure your success when you're starting out at an already healthy body weight. You will very likely lose body fat (which is the real goal) and it may or may not be reflected on the scale.

Being on the pill can be a huge factor. :( It made me gain about 20 lbs. I began training with the military while I was on it. You'd think some of it would have come off. Months later, when I was no longer working out or attempting to lose weight, the excess weight practically fell off me a month after I stopped taking it. Hormones can have a very powerful effect on body fat stores no matter what you're eating.

Good luck. :wave:

rpavich Sat, Sep-18-10 10:31

I'm sorry if you thought I was rude...I was exasperated at what I thought was a unit of measure....a gram....

I'll butt out.

MsDrea Sat, Sep-18-10 10:44

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristine
Being on the pill can be a huge factor. :( It made me gain about 20 lbs. I began training with the military while I was on it. You'd think some of it would have come off. Months later, when I was no longer working out or attempting to lose weight, the excess weight practically fell off me a month after I stopped taking it. Hormones can have a very powerful effect on body fat stores no matter what you're eating.

Good luck. :wave:


Ditto this. One birth control pill I was on years ago made me gain over 10 pounds in a month, to the point I couldn't button any of my pants, and for one week of that month I had had a stomach flu, ate nothing, and threw up whatever I ate. The pill I was on last year, on the other hand, did not make me gain any weight at all. It just made me crazy. :rolleyes:

vesparia Sat, Sep-18-10 14:46

Hi guys,

Thanks so much for the advice. Looks like the best solution is just to come off it... I have to be so careful because the main reason I'm on it is due to period problems and anaemia. I'm taking a multi-vit so hopefully that will tide me over for my iron count.

Yes, a gram is a small amout of weight... I was just trying to explain that I haven't lost even the slightest of amounts. I'm afraid I don't work in imperial measurements (I have no idea what "2 cups of salad" actually means...I just have a salad a day *shrug*) hence the metric goodness.

Does this mean that 5 (now 6) days have been wasted? Yes I can come off it but I have another week to go... which means the entire induction period would have been a waste... and I was doing so very well :(

PS: Added my location for clarification :)

cnmLisa Sat, Sep-18-10 15:16

Hmmmmmm...before you go off the pill....

A pregnancy is going to be more of a weight gainer than the OCP---I'm just sayn';)

I don't consider the week to be wasted if you were follwoing the plan. One thing that no one has mentioned is that many of us fail to lose anything on inudction (me,me,me) and have gone on to be sucessful.

I'd just keep following the plan and stop using the scale as your unit of measure.

Did you measure your body before beginning?
Are you feeling better health-wise?

There are other measures of sucess than just the scale.


Progress not perfection.

Lisa

vesparia Sun, Sep-19-10 02:12

Hiya,

no chances of me getting pregnant at the moment - just taking it to help control my periods and my iron count.

Yesterday (day 5) was the first day where I noticed that I was craving something carby whereas my friend starting having cravings on day 3. Maybe this is a good sign?

I don't feel so bloated anymore after a meal which I love! It means that I'm also falling asleep much faster as I don't feel so stuffed. Also drinking so much more water which can only be good.

Only real issue I'm having is constipation... I have now resorted to taking tablets but even they don't seem to help!

JD&Coke Sun, Sep-19-10 02:26

I have a feeling the marina coil is having the same issues with my weight loss. Since starting back on Atkins just over two weeks ago I've lost quite well but it came to a sudden halt and then a slight gain, right when my ToM was due. I have not had any ToM for about a year and after two weeks on Atkins I get one, very odd.

I'm going to have to accept that the coil will hinder me a bit. I did put on a lot of weight after having it put in but the freedom from the most awful ToM where I could hardly leave the house, means I won't have it removed, even at the cost of being a bit heavier.

Water is retained at this time so don't be too hard on yourself. I'd lay off the diet drinks just a bit, I've found they hold things back.

Keep the faith, being here is a great help for me as friends and family are very anti Atkins sadly.

x

vesparia Sun, Sep-19-10 02:55

Living in Germany is making Atkins very tough... standard German fare focuses on bread, potatoes and beer. Bread in the morning, hot lunch and then bread in the evening. A lot of meat and fish is breaded (Schnitzel, for example) and even more meat is processes (Salami, Wurst).

The toughest is going out in the evening...restaurants serve everything with chips and/or potatoes. Some restaurants are willing to change the menu slightly (so salad instead of chips) but not all. Beer is dirt cheap, cheaper than water, which doesn't help. Everything "to go" contains bread - thank God for McDonald's with their salads!

I hear Boots sells Atkins bars...sadly not available in Germany :(

cnmLisa Sun, Sep-19-10 10:07

Quote:
Originally Posted by JD&Coke
I have a feeling the marina coil is having the same issues with my weight loss. Since starting back on Atkins just over two weeks ago I've lost quite well but it came to a sudden halt and then a slight gain, right when my ToM was due. I have not had any ToM for about a year and after two weeks on Atkins I get one, very odd.


Not odd at all. Perfectly normal for menses to become lighter or stop all together with a Mirena IUD. Not odd at all either that your periods resumed after starting Atkins and beginning to shed fat. Estrogen is stored in fat tissue. As you begin to lose fat stores, the estrogen is released. As the estrogen is released, it can impact your periods--in your case the resumption of your menses. Perfectly normal.

Also, perfectly normal to have cyclical weight flucuations with the cycle of your periods.

Keep moving forward with your plan, sounds like you're on the right track.

Progress not perfection.

Lisa

Elizellen Sun, Sep-19-10 12:25

Quote:
Originally Posted by vesparia
I'm afraid I don't work in imperial measurements (I have no idea what "2 cups of salad" actually means...I just have a salad a day *shrug*) hence the metric goodness.
We don't use 'cups' here either in UK.

But if you go to the USDA database here
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
You can see how many grams a cup of any food holds and use the weights instead. There is also see very detailed nutrition information too.

You can also download a copy of the database to use when not online
http://www.ars.usda.gov/Services/docs.htm?docid=5720

Elizellen Sun, Sep-19-10 12:56

Quote:
Originally Posted by vesparia
Living in Germany is making Atkins very tough... standard German fare focuses on bread, potatoes and beer. Bread in the morning, hot lunch and then bread in the evening. A lot of meat and fish is breaded (Schnitzel, for example) and even more meat is processes (Salami, Wurst).
There are many members who do manage to Atkineer in Germany and other European countries.

Everywhere in the world it is much easier if you can do your own cooking then you are not reliant on what restaurants and fast food outlets offer but with perseverance you can do it as a tourist when eating out all the time.

I have only visited Germany a few times since I went Atkins but had no problem. My grasp of the language is not very much more than schoolgirl level but with a dictionary I managed well.

Most meals I was able to order meat without breading, and apart from the sodium in them german sausages are good for Atkins as they do not contain the breadcrumb/rusk/starchy fillers that our British bangers do.

There is usually something 'legal' at most Schnell Imbiss places.

There are many Turkish and Greek restaurants where you can easily get non-carby foods. Apparently Germany's favourite fast food is the Doner Kebab, which without the bread is usually fairly safe. as long as it is the meat slice,s not cut from the elephant leg thingie (which could contain starchy fillers - though traditionally it should not).

And the 'Hähnchen' (rotisserie chicken) on sale at the takeaway type 'Hut' are to die for!!

Breakfasts were easier to Atkinize than at many cheap hotels in UK to be honest, where all they offer is what they laughingly call a 'continental breakfast' which is cereal, toast, maybe a croissant and butter and jam.

Unlike what I was able to get in Germany - plates of cold meats and boiled eggs, which to my mind is a perfect Atkins meal!! I did avoid the obvious meats like meatloaf-style ones but always there were slices of ham and other recogniseable meats to choose.

So try and think positively about working out how best to Atkinise what is offered and you might just surprise yourself.
Quote:
I hear Boots sells Atkins bars...sadly not available in Germany :(

I would say 'luckily' not available in Germany!!

They are notorious for halting weightloss - the old Atkins company website used to have a whole page advising what to do if they did stall weightloss (basically - drop them from your menus!!).

Also they contain ingredients not allowed on induction like nuts, soya and grains, so are not suitable till the later OWL rungs no matter what phase they claim to be suitable for IMO.

pinkclouds Sun, Sep-19-10 12:58

I have followed the Atkins WOE both on and off oral contraceptives, and though I will admit the weight came off faster off the pill, I have still been able to lose weight while on the pill as well. It is possible. :) Like you, I was also placed on the pill by my doctor as an aid in managing my anemia because my periods were very heavy and i was not producing enough RBC's to stay in the normal range. I do also use them to prevent pregnancy though. So giving them up right now is not the best option for me.

Whatever you decide, I don't think your time on induction has been wasted. As Lisa said, some people do not experience a loss on induction. BUT induction is supposed to be a period of cleansing, when you rid your body of toxins, overcome your carbohydrate addictions, and convert to burning fat for fuel. If you've done this, then you've succeeded. :)

vesparia Mon, Sep-20-10 01:19

Thanks for the positive words, everyone!

I'm still at it... day 7 today. Still having problems with constipation which really makes me feel rather 'heavy', if that makes sense.

I treated myself to a sort of English breakfast yesterday...just had to skip the toast! I don't like baked beans so they weren't missed.

I'm going to make myself a Thai red curry (sans rice) as a treat to myself for getting through the first week :)

JD&Coke Mon, Sep-20-10 05:03

Vesparia I hear you about the constipation...I feel so heavy if you put a pair of wheels on me I'd be a pull along suitcase of waste food, it's so disgusting to think about what my guts must be like inside! not even a strong coffee is shifting it.

I use the keto stix to check if I'm still in ketosis and it's purple so I know I'm doing ok in some ways but holding all that food is so unfair!

Anyone? please dont say extra veggies or water, it's not working and just adding to the problem.

x

vesparia Mon, Sep-20-10 05:14

Coffee isn't helping me either. Tried (whole) flax seed - nada. I used to eat a lot of dark breads which is where I got my fibre from.

I thought about the sticks - problem is, I have no idea what they're called in German (I've only seen sticks to measure for sugar, blood and protein) or even if they exist here :(

JD&Coke Mon, Sep-20-10 08:06

I had trouble finding them here this time so ended up ordering them off www.ebay.co.uk I'm sure many do eu postage, thy are not that expensive and I hear Amazon do generic ones even cheaper.

They just give me a little boost in confidence that although the scales are not saying good things my system is still responding to the changes I can't see. I'm happy to see light pink but deep pink or purple first thing in the morning before food or drink is nice to see

FoodieJ Mon, Sep-20-10 08:12

hey ladies glad I found this thread..day 5 of induction and still no weight loss for me..and had been seriously constipated those 5 days until I had lots of coffee this morning ...tmi I know...still didn't lose any weight after the bowel movement! lol This discourages me but I will keep going. I'm just terrified that I will GAIN weight on this!

vesparia Mon, Sep-20-10 09:54

Little update - managed to find those strips! It turned a very deep purple so that must be a good sign :)

Tomorrow will be 7 days... but I don't want to weigh myself before things, um, move, so to speak...

kimberlyw Mon, Sep-20-10 10:04

Quote:
Originally Posted by vesparia
Living in Germany is making Atkins very tough... standard German fare focuses on bread, potatoes and beer. Bread in the morning, hot lunch and then bread in the evening. A lot of meat and fish is breaded (Schnitzel, for example) and even more meat is processes (Salami, Wurst).


No, I do not agree. The sheer amount of fresh foods to processed foods as well as the fact that you can scrape the breading off things, not drink at all - and if: Wine, as well as the fact that there is much fresh meat on offer.

Also, many of the wursts are not processed with nitrates. It's a matter of paying attention to what you buy.

In the AM, sliced meats and cheeses, you can eat without the bread.

Hot lunch: See the Atkins Induction Recipes Thread

Evening: Again, skip the bread and eat the other bits or a salad. Or cooked eggs.

I have successfully done atkins for over 10 years in Germany - and even cheaper than anywhere else (US and England).

Do not even think about the Frankenfoods - steer clear of those. They often cause stalls and overeating them is easy to do.

Take Care!

kimberlyw Mon, Sep-20-10 10:07

Oh yes - that is not incluing doner/lamm kabob (and even the "elephant leg" hah at this name, by the way) things are actuually meat at MOST places, and not with added nonsense) etc on offer at most Schnell Imbiss/Turkish Restaurants.

Also - steaks (Argentine and others) are very affordable there.

vesparia Mon, Sep-20-10 11:52

Hmm, most places I go to serve everything "mit Pommes" and they get rather shirty if you want to change your order somewhat.

Duesseldorf Altstadt is a nightmare in the evening and restaurants are expensive. Non-elephant-leg kebabs are hard to come by, which leaves pizza and chips/bratwurst/currywurst.

I cook everything from scratch, so when I'm in the supermarket I have a pretty easy time. It's just when you want to go out in the evenings and not spend a small fortune in restaurants where I have trouble. Although I have found an Atkins Burger in a bar ("Cross Over Burger") but at €14 it's pretty expensive for me.

kimberlyw Mon, Sep-20-10 11:59

You can ask for salat instead of pommes. Are you non-German?

If so, are you asking in English in a foreign Country?

If so, this may be from whence the "shirtiness" comes.

If I am to ask for something in German in England, I think people here might be a bit "shirty" as well ;)

kimberlyw Mon, Sep-20-10 12:03

Or just do not eat the fries at all.

I mean....?

I guess only you can decide what's more important to you.

Al I know is that I lost 60lbs in Germany with no problem at all.

This is a change of lifestyle.

In order for it to work, yopu have to change your life.

Sometimes, that means dealing with the "shirty" or simply not eating the fries. Whichever makes you more comfortable.

Or eat before you go out and then have a salad.

*shrugs* I do not know. To me not being fat was more important than shirty and pommes put together.


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