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Hutchinson Wed, Dec-09-09 16:40

Soft drink consumption and obesity: it is all about fructose.
 
Soft drink consumption and obesity: it is all about fructose.
PURPOSE OF REVIEW:
The purpose of the review is to suggest that fructose, a component of both sucrose (common sugar) and high fructose corn syrup, should be of concern to both healthcare providers and the public.
RECENT FINDINGS:
Consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages has increased steadily over the past century and with this increase has come more and more reports associating their use with the risk of overweight, diabetes and cardiometabolic disease.
In a meta-analysis of the relationship between soft drink consumption and cardiometabolic risk, there was a 24% overall increased risk comparing the top and bottom quantiles of consumption.
Several factors might account for this increased risk, including increased carbohydrate load and increased amounts of dietary fructose.
Fructose acutely increases thermogenesis, triglycerides and lipogenesis as well as blood pressure, but has a smaller effect on leptin and insulin release than comparable amounts of glucose.
In controlled feeding studies, changes in body weight, fat storage and triglycerides are observed as well as an increase in inflammatory markers.
SUMMARY:
The present review concludes on the basis of the data assembled here that in the amounts currently consumed, fructose is hazardous to the cardiometabolic health of many children, adolescents and adults.

ProfGumby Wed, Dec-09-09 17:09

Nice to read! I wonder how hard the HFCS people will push back against that piece of info....but I remember as a kid my parents and relatives all controlling how often we got to have a soda as, "all the sugar is no good for you."

I am also curious of any studies about the diet soda craze too. years back, I remember my dietitian telling me that I could drink diet pop "like water". I wonder what the chemical makeup of diet soda and the artificial sweetener does in large amounts over time...

Nancy LC Wed, Dec-09-09 17:46

I wish they'd realize it's not just the soft drinks, it's the fruit juice too. :p

costello22 Thu, Dec-10-09 10:17

I actually noticed something the other day that I thought was somewhat promising.

I was having a terrible craving for sloppy joes, so I checked out all the canned mixes at the store. Couldn't find one even remotely acceptable, but I did notice that the two Hunt's brand mixes listed sugar rather than HFCS in the ingredients. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction IMO.

RobLL Thu, Dec-10-09 12:29

One suspects that had we continued with an occasional 8 oz soft drink and and orange, banana, or apple once or twice a day fructose would not have been an issue. Or any number of other things.

Nancy LC Thu, Dec-10-09 12:34

Quote:
Originally Posted by costello22
I actually noticed something the other day that I thought was somewhat promising.

I was having a terrible craving for sloppy joes, so I checked out all the canned mixes at the store. Couldn't find one even remotely acceptable, but I did notice that the two Hunt's brand mixes listed sugar rather than HFCS in the ingredients. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction IMO.

Now I'm craving them! I think they'd be pretty easy to make from scratch, use some sugar sub instead!

I have a big thing of ham to use up, maybe I can grind up some ham and make sloppy joes with it.

Wyvrn Thu, Dec-10-09 13:27

Since it contains no fructose, I'm considering picking up some dextrose powder for those rare cooking applications (mainly holiday desserts we share with family) where only real sugar will do. I'm starting to think a lot of the problems we attribute to carbs in general are actually due to fructose.

A quick web search shows it's quite inexpensive at supplement shops catering to bodybuilders.

TheCaveman Thu, Dec-10-09 14:24

The ad at the bottom of this page is HFCS propaganda site brought to you by the Corn Refiners Association.

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fetch Thu, Dec-10-09 14:50

hmmm. All I get is an ad banner for a tea site. If it was there, it's gone now.

ETA: Ah. Rotating ads. Maybe not gone.

Wyvrn Thu, Dec-10-09 15:13

I don't think the HFCS ads represent a conflict of interest, just poor aim on the part of the content-targeted ad service. :lol:

jcass Thu, Dec-10-09 16:21

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvrn
Since it contains no fructose, I'm considering picking up some dextrose powder for those rare cooking applications (mainly holiday desserts we share with family) where only real sugar will do. I'm starting to think a lot of the problems we attribute to carbs in general are actually due to fructose.


glucose (that is dextrose) and fructose harm us in different ways, but both are quite bad, especially for those who through long term abuse have aquired significant metabolic damage.

Wyvrn Thu, Dec-10-09 16:58

Quote:
Originally Posted by jcass
glucose (that is dextrose) and fructose harm us in different ways, but both are quite bad, especially for those who through long term abuse have aquired significant metabolic damage.
It depends on the dose. If we don't eat any glucose, our own liver will manufacture 100 grams or so per day. Without it, we die. I don't think consuming an occasional dessert containing a teaspoon (4 grams) or so of the stuff will hurt you, even if you are metabolically impaired.

Hutchinson Thu, Dec-10-09 17:51

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvrn
I don't think consuming an occasional dessert containing a teaspoon (4 grams) or so of the stuff will hurt you, even if you are metabolically impaired.
but we are NOT eating just 4g it's 50.6 lb/year of added fructose = 22,951.77g=62.8815616g/d the average USA adult consumes.
It really is about time you realized how much fructose you consume daily really is.

Wyvrn Thu, Dec-10-09 19:51

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutchinson
but we are NOT eating just 4g it's 50.6 lb/year of added fructose = 22,951.77g=62.8815616g/d the average USA adult consumes.
It really is about time you realized how much fructose you consume daily really is.
How much I personally consume? At <20 grams total carbs per day, most of the carbs being from eggs, liver, lactose and oysters, none of that from products containing added sugar, I'd say very, very little.

On Turkey day, I had one serving of creme brulee, which had less than a teaspoon of sucrose in it (I know this because I made it), and a spoonful of home made, unsweetened cranberry orange relish. What I am considering is to replace that spoonful of sucrose with pure dextrose.

Hutchinson Fri, Dec-11-09 05:13

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvrn
How much I personally consume? At <20 grams total carbs per day, most of the carbs being from eggs, liver, lactose and oysters, none of that from products containing added sugar, I'd say very, very little.

On Turkey day, I had one serving of creme brulee, which had less than a teaspoon of sucrose in it (I know this because I made it), and a spoonful of home made, unsweetened cranberry orange relish. What I am considering is to replace that spoonful of sucrose with pure dextrose.
But I'm sure you accept that your personal consumption of carbs and fructose is NOT TYPICAL.

Excessive fructose intake (more than 50 g/d) is probably the cause of Type 2 Diabetes.

The amounts you are talking about are trivial but the message that the average reader needs to understand is that typically the average US diet involves 66g/d of HFCS.
That is the total amount sold divided by the total population.
I don't think most people have any idea that they are consuming anywhere like that amount of fructose daily.

costello22 Fri, Dec-11-09 10:11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy LC
Now I'm craving them! I think they'd be pretty easy to make from scratch, use some sugar sub instead!


Yes, I need to modify a recipe.

I keep thinking of PJ's post about not being able to just walk into the store and buy something to eat. As I move to eating more and more whole foods, I spend so much more time cooking. (I also spend more on the food itself!) Lord, I'd love to just brown some ground hamburger, then throw in a can of sloppy joe sauce. It's what I used to call "cooking." :lol:

Wyvrn Fri, Dec-11-09 12:17

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hutchinson
But I'm sure you accept that your personal consumption of carbs and fructose is NOT TYPICAL.

Of course. I was responding to your question as it was phrased.
Quote:
Excessive fructose intake (more than 50 g/d) is probably the cause of Type 2 Diabetes. I don't think most people have any idea that they are consuming anywhere like that amount of fructose daily.
I think you may have misread my post. I'm not planning to increase my consumption of fructose, I'm planning to reduce it by substituting pure dextrose in place of sucrose in those rare applications where I'd want to sweeten something with sugar. Not that I expect to see any real impact on my health because the amount I'm getting is already vanishingly small, but if it's true, as the evidence indicates, that fructose is significantly more dangerous than glucose, we might see lower incidences of disease by replacing the fructose with glucose without requiring people to reduce carbs. It would interesting to see this tested on a large scale.

Nancy LC Fri, Dec-11-09 12:27

Quote:
Originally Posted by costello22
Yes, I need to modify a recipe.

I keep thinking of PJ's post about not being able to just walk into the store and buy something to eat. As I move to eating more and more whole foods, I spend so much more time cooking. (I also spend more on the food itself!) Lord, I'd love to just brown some ground hamburger, then throw in a can of sloppy joe sauce. It's what I used to call "cooking." :lol:

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,182...-235207,00.html

You could cheat and use dehydrated onion or onion powder same for the garlic. I really like these dehydrated roasted garlic chips I've purchased when I don't have fresh garlic on hand. You could skip the green peppers. They're nice but probably don't change the basic flavor much if at all. I love dehydrated onion. I mean really love it... I shake it on my salads. I like regular onions too. Oh yes, some stores sell pre-chopped onion, but they always taste kind of bland to me.

So then you're squeezing 3/4ths cup of ketchup. Shaking on onions and garlic. Adding water or broth. Worchester sauce. Skip the flour. Sounds pretty darned easy if you take some short cuts. :) In fact, I pretty much have all the ingredient right now!

I think outside of the cooking time for the beef, I could probably stir that up in 10 minutes maybe even 5.

Seejay Fri, Dec-11-09 13:25

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvrn
replacing the fructose with glucose without requiring people to reduce carbs. It would interesting to see this tested on a large scale.
That was my immediate thought about food processors. Seeing more dextrose and maltodextrose which is already in the long list of added sweeters.

And... George Bray? He has long been a "fat people just eat too darn much" guy. I wonder what he's up to. Is this his spin to get out of years of ignoring metabolic reality?

And this term - cardiometabolic health?

jcass Fri, Dec-11-09 13:37

~wyvrn i misunderstood your intention. usually when i see someone talking about sugar substitutes it is in the context of daily consumption of large quantities. For example "I will use this dextrose to cook pies, cookies, cakes, and bread and I will eat them every day". That sort of thing. The 4 grams per dose that you are talking about doesn't concern me.

Hutchinson Fri, Dec-11-09 14:00

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seejay
And... George Bray? He has long been a "fat people just eat too darn much" guy. I wonder what he's up to. Is this his spin to get out of years of ignoring metabolic reality?

Fructose: should we worry? G A Bray
Quote:
Obesity is a growing problem. In the broadest strokes, it is due to a small positive energy balance that persists over a sufficiently long time.
Some forms of obesity develop independent of the type of diet that is eaten, whereas others are dependent on the diet.
Among the former are individuals with leptin deficiency or genetic defects in the melanocortin 4 receptor.
Most human obesity, however, occurs in the presence of highly palatable foods—fat and calorically sweetened beverages.
The increase in obesity in the last 35 years has paralleled the increasing use of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which first appeared just before 1970.
Current soft drinks and many other foods are sweetened with this product because it is inexpensive and has useful manufacturing properties.
The fructose in HFCS and sugar makes beverages very sweet, and this sweetness may underlie the relation of obesity to soft drink consumption.
Fructose consumption has also been related to the metabolic syndrome and to abnormal lipid patterns.
This evidence suggests that we should worry about our current level of fructose consumption, which has been increasing steadily for over 200 years and now represents over 10% of energy intake of some people.


This is Bray this time last year on the same topic. He was still on the Calories in calories out mantra together with idea that fat makes you fat.

Nancy LC Fri, Dec-11-09 14:04

Bray gets a good roasting in Taubes book IIRC. Oh wait, maybe it's Eades... or both? :lol: I just remember him because I always think of a Donkey braying.

Calianna Sat, Dec-12-09 06:20

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy LC
http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,182...-235207,00.html

So then you're squeezing 3/4ths cup of ketchup.



Please be aware that ketchup has a good bit of added sugars- usually in the form of HFCS these days.

Alternately, you could use the sloppy joe recipe from Linda Sue's site. Granted it has a few more ingredients, so will take a little more time for measuring and mixing, but at least you're avoiding the added sugars.

Another alternative that's definitely not the sweet sloppy joe, but is pretty good is to make sloppy jose's. There are recipes out there that require lots of chopping and simmering, but the easiest thing to do is to use a no-sugar-added chunky salsa (1 cup for a pound of browned hamburger), then melt in a cup of shredded colby jack cheese. Different flavor, but very quick and easy.

Nancy LC Sat, Dec-12-09 11:34

They do make low carb ketchup too. Or they did, not sure if they do any longer.

Seejay Sat, Dec-12-09 12:22

that's the one condiment I tried making myself.

In summer you can make your own ketchup , much less sweet, using an heirloom recipe and really ripe tomatoes. The Amish recipes have a ton of them from their German tradition of sweets-and-sours cooking.

Nancy LC Sat, Dec-12-09 12:37

Yum, that sounds wonderful!

ProfGumby Sun, Dec-13-09 10:42

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy LC
Now I'm craving them! I think they'd be pretty easy to make from scratch, use some sugar sub instead!

I have a big thing of ham to use up, maybe I can grind up some ham and make sloppy joes with it.


Make sandwich spread! Get some pickles and some mayo and grind er up! :yum:

Nancy LC Sun, Dec-13-09 10:46

Oh shoot! That sounds good too!

ProfGumby Sun, Dec-13-09 10:47

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy LC
They do make low carb ketchup too. Or they did, not sure if they do any longer.


Heinz still does, though it is not called "One Carb" anymore. There are also plenty of ketchup out there that use no added sugar. However it can be a 'spensive way to make a large quantity of sloppy joes...

I generally buy an organic no sugar, no artificial sweetener ketchup that is not that out there in terms of price, but I don't use that for sloppy joes. I do use the Heinz and a wee bit of sweetener.

ProfGumby Sun, Dec-13-09 10:50

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy LC
Oh shoot! That sounds good too!


Ya, that is a guilty pleasure of mine...I love dipping pork rinds into it! The local market makes their own sandwich spread and calls it Bologna salad. they also have ham salad, but since I am sure they use a very low grade of ham, loaded with salt and chemicals, I pass on that. I do buy the bologna salad once in a while though...

I'm gonna get a sausage/meat grinder and start making my own.... :yum:


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