On motivation, from an unusual source.
 

I've always been one to say that you can *not* lose a huge amount of weight by trying to do it through incredible motivation, trying to pump yourself up and get it done with the Rocky theme running in the background and expecting the world to bend to your whim. That kind of drive simply can NOT last as long as us TDC members need it to - you burn out and fall off. Instead, it has to be from making the diet second-nature, and that comes from a fundamental change in thinking and action that takes time and patience to create.

In my opinion, this is why I honestly hate The Biggest Loser. It makes the weight loss process seem like a sprint, something that's dramatic and attained through pushingpushingpushing, every single day as hard as humanly possible while being cheered through the finish line by all of America.

Friends, for those of us who are not on a television game show, it does not work that way. It is NOT a sprint, it is a marathon - an incredibly long one that lasts the entirety of our lives, one that is at times easy and others hard, one that includes its share of drama, but one that also includes its share of tedium and ho-hum Every Day Life. Our lives, unlike a game show, don't get to stop for 6 months to make the weight loss process the center of our universes. For that reason, the expectation of The Big Push is an unrealistic and - due to its complete incompatibility with real life - an often destructive model on which to build true success. I can not tell you the number of people I've seen come through this board over the years, telling everyone how it's done, how This Time It's For Real, how they're never going to fail again, how this time it's "X Pounds Gone Forever!"

Unrealistic expectations driven by delusional magical thinking leads to realistic downfalls a REMARKABLE amount of the time. People set themselves up for failure by creating standards and expectations that are unattainable and unrealistic, then have slip-ups that lead them to feel like failures, leading to their losing the course completely. "I couldn't do it! It's too hard!" Nonsense. You did it wrong by setting your goals and expectations too high. This is a lifelong thing. There is no "failing" until you've decided - consciously or not - to stop *trying* to make good decisions. People often stop stop trying because their model for doing this is one that is completely incongruous with living a real life - one that is driven by Magical Motivation that worked for one day, one week, or one month, but which eventually faded into the void, along with their hopes of living a healthy life.

The people I've modeled my success, such as it is, on have NOT followed that path. They are the ones who do it every day, when life is easy and when life is hard, and who realize that the underpinnings of the diet - the mindset and the motivation - are the key to doing this properly and successfully.

I'm currently trying to quit smoking (again...), and this morning I got an email on this point that I think very accurately displays this thought that I've often tried to convey, but not quite as succinctly. I wrote about it in my journal this morning, and I thought it might be something useful for other TDC members to think about as well. From my journal:

This came in my email today from the quitting smoking board I use (I don't post there, but it keeps track of how much money you've saved and as such is quite motivational). It is exactly true for weight loss/food addiction as well:



Reworded:



-j.

Well said. This should be required reading for all new members. Thanks for posting.

:thup: Great stuff Jake!! :agree:

Thanks!! :cool:

I got kicked off a weight loss forum once for saying you have to invent your own motivation every day, that no one can do it for you, and that if you aren't willing to accept that responsibility you might as well quit now because you are only going to make yourself miserable then fail later.

This was a much nicer way of saying the same thing. :)

I agree... and I don't.

Today, I'm manufacturing my own motivation.

Tomorrow, I might take it from one of those "Half Their Size" issues of People magazine.

I get motivation from reading these forums. I also get motivation from watching the Biggest Loser. I love the show and find it immensely inspirational.

External motivation and internal motivation both have their place in my arsenal of tools for success. Sometimes I'm just not strong enough to invent my own each day, sometimes I need the theme to Rocky running through my head.

Well put!! :)

I thought about this for awhile, the original post and Valerie's response.

I think maybe the reality is that in the earlier days of lowcarbing I really really needed motivation. I had a lot of my own. But it helped from other sources.

When I weighed over 500# and only lurked here, I cannot tell you the nights I spent looking at the pictures in the success stories threads, reading recipes. I so desperately needed to believe that lowcarb was truly possible, that maybe it would actually work, no matter that barely eating off and on didn't make me lose weight, that maybe eating a lot more than usual, but lowcarb, would actually make me lose weight. It seemed like a magical thing at first, and one of those "anything that seems too good to be true probably is." There were plenty of times in my planning and in my early days of lowcarb when hours spent stalking success stories and recipes somehow fed my heart, my faith, and helped maintain motivation I'm not sure I would have had without that.

The more used to eating properly I get, the less genuine motivation I seem to need to eat that way. However, doing something new takes motivation, even if it's not the food; exercise and other things tie into a "healthier lifestyle" and those have their own demands. In the early days, just getting the food straight well enough to THINK straight is what matters. But eventually, as the body gets smaller, the picture gets bigger.

I have really seen that when I had some idea in mind of how much I needed to lose how fast -- and I don't mean small goals here like we all work to (1-12 months), I mean larger ones -- that it was more difficult for me. Every day I was faced with the incredibly seeming-insignificance of anything that I could do in that day compared to the overwhelming goal and need. The project of my body's improvement was so big I didn't have the heart some days to even think about it; it stunned me with its scope. But when I actually let go of that, when I dropped such ideas and now simply make shorter term goals, usually even less than I think I can do -- because I believe meeting/exceeding a goal is important for psychological reasons and persistance reasons; I can push myself when I can marathon ok, for now, training my body and mind to like what I'm doing and have faith is more important to my continuing to do it -- I don't feel that sense of stress and despair anymore.

You know what, I am so damned glad to feel like I feel right now, eating well, taking a few supplements, thinking clearly, being able to mow the lawn and go shopping and fit in lots of chairs I couldn't before -- I am genuinely happy with this. Is that all I want? Hell no. Do I want to be thinner? Hell yes! But I am *happy* that I am here, and not where I started. I am happy that standing for 30-60 seconds no longer gives me screaming back pain, that walking from the door to the car no longer makes me exhausted, that just thinking about nearly any problem seemed like it required more energy than I had to deal with and hence was overwhelming and I no longer have that situation. I'm happy that I can plan for my future and dream of something *real*. I used to daydream about "the day when I'd be thin" and all the things I'd do. It was as unrealistic as a romance novel. Now, I daydream about when I'm 300# instead of 375, and the exercises I bet I can do then, and how cool my kitchen will look once it's painted. Rather than either spacing out in denial or despairing over reality, now I'm just sorta happy where I am, happy to be moving toward another goal, and it makes me feel fairly optimistic that my future will be bright.

Will I ever weigh 130 again? Not likely. Possible. Not IMpossible. But also not likely. That was hard for me to accept. It was hard for me because I fought against it, fought because I've been indoctrinated to believe that if you "just do everything right" that obesity would just vanish, with that fairy-wand of gold light. It was a real bear working through learning about some metabolic and nutritional issues and realizing that given my high weight, even though I can radically improve my health and greatly improve my figure, it might not ever be the fashion zombie it used to be.

I had to let go of the emphasis on timing because that's where panic lies. Panic sits at the bottom of the clock, just waiting for someone to have an idea of what they "must" lose "in order to be ok" or whatever. I know the feeling of panic... pretty well. But the reality is that panic is one of those things that made me need external motivation; "quiet desperation" drains you. Adding time-pressure to your mental diet is like adding carbs to your physical diet: it makes you really deficient in another things, like Vitamin C or "motivation and persistance". There's a difference between a fairly short term goal you think you can make, and a goal that is not only going to require herculean effort, but several other factors related to metabolism and feeding behavior that are so unlikely as to be completely unrealistic.

I'm making my new goals to be happy, and that includes as part of it, not only all kinds of things that aren't about food but *are* about healthy living, but also a regular, optimistic outlook on continued weight loss and life improvement, and deliberately short- and medium- term goal plans, which I find motivating and do-able. Something like, "I will work every day on eating healthier and I hope I lose 30# in the next six months," as opposed to, "I read about this guy who lost 300# in only 22 months! Maybe I could do THAT!"

One thing the triple-digit obesity situation does is force you -- if all goes well, anyway -- to face reality a little more squarely. It isn't about losing 5# for that summer bikini. It's about losing 10# so breathing is slightly easier today than it was last month. It's about losing 50# or 150# so you don't have to stand in the aisle at the back of the movie theatre for lack of a fitting seat. No matter what the "focus-goals" are, there is also a long line of goals off into the distance.

"Sprinters" don't make this long a cross-country run. It isn't about the urgency and leap; it's about pacing yourself, focusing on what matters day to day, and taking steps to preserve the elements that sustain you for the long term race.

AMEN!!!!!!! Your future is DEFINITELY bright!!!!!!! You obviously have made some very major realizations on your journey to being happy and healthy!! Coming from an All or Nothing mentality that I struggle with your points are well received and the same thoughts & view that I try daily to subscribe to. It's not easy but I think it's definitely the difference between perpetual yo-yoing and ultimate success. Thanks for sharing. I think your sentiments are so right on and really will be the key to your long term success!!!!!!!

Great realizations in there, PJ.

Losing weight as a TDC'er really is a whole different ballgame than for most people. So complicated, the focus is different, success is often defined differently.

This is an amazing thread.

PJ- Your statements about panic really hit home for me.

My adult life has been full of this cycle where panic and fear lead me to continue repeating bad behaviors so I can ignore that feeling of panic. Only later realizing where the bad behaviors have left me. Thus leading to panic again. I guess this is the cycle any addict goes through whether it has to do with drugs and alcohol, food and weight, finances, etc.

I have never believed or even fantasized that I could lose 100 pounds, and I never faced what I really wanted. I never took a look deep down inside and said - I want this. I see my future as this. I just focused on what I wanted right that instant. Well, that thing was almost always the exact opposite of what I wanted long term.

Today, my motivation is coming from the ability to dream. To envision a brighter future. Somehow as the weight piled on and I started to grow up, I stopped thinking about how I wanted things to be and just dealt with how things are. Numerous times in my life, I have actually been proud of myself for being able to just deal with it. It felt like I wasn't living. I was just reacting to what was happening around me. I want to take control of a part of my life, and this seemed like a good place to start.

I want to make small goals important to me, and yes I agree they need to be achievable in steps. I believe every big problem can be solved, but it needs to be broken down to its smaller parts. - I think someone taught me this in Math class.

Also, thanks to everyone for sharing their motivations. I am just starting out, and all of the reading and personal stories do and will help me to come back here and keep trying.

This is a great thread. j's thoughts on motivation dovetail nicely into the mindset which makes this work for me.

For me, motivation counterbalances sacrifice. It is mathematical. Major sacrifice requires big "all fired up" motivation. And that kind of motivation is not sustainable in the long run.

OTOH, minor sacrifice only requires a minor level of day to day motivation, a level which I CAN sustain. Thus the key for me is this: The level of sacrifice/deprivation must be kept reasonably low in order to stay with the program in the long run.

For me, the motivation has to be the "little things" - I get motivated when I can wear shorts without "thigh burn", or when I go up the stairs at work without stopping nad panting and feeling my chest hurt. When I can play with my daugther in the park, or when my pants feel just a little bit more loose....everyday I find motivation in little things - but those little thing enforce the bigger picture and keep me on track.

Winterlily, I like that point. Those little things are important to me, too. I'll never forget the day I went to get something out of a low cabinet at work and *squatted down* to do it. I was on the balls of my feet with my butt at my heels and AMAZED! I hadn't been able to do that in years!

That kept me motivated for days! And renews it now, when I think about it!

Motivation is worthless. In my case, I've integrated it into everything I do, and it's "just the way I do things." If I could will myself to do things that my body doesn't want to, that it fights me on, then I'd be in the Tour De France next year. Fact is, thin people aren't thin because they have incredible willpower and fat people aren't fat because they have none.

Routine does it for me. As long as it's a shrug & do it thing, I do it. If it's outside my comfort zone, I resist. I bring it into my comfort zone. I find a way to live that way.

I hope nobody gets offended if I chuckle at the various "rewards" threads that pop up from time to time. If a freaking new shirt or iPod could motivate me, I'd have a closetfull of shirts and a trunk full of iPods. No external thing can motivate me. Giving yourself mini-rewards isn't useful. It's just distracting. It might do no harm, but it does no good either. (Unless you just wanted the iPod anyway) :)

I've pondered the question of motivation for a very long time. I agree that it's not real. No "moments of clarity", no external influence can make this happen. I couldn't have done it strictly on motivation. I couldn't have done it at all. Motivation plays a tiny role. Being informed, being true to yourself, adopting it as a way of living no different than the television shows you watch -- that works.

I ain't Rocky. I ain't going to look at the mirror and drink the raw eggs and beat Apollo Creed. Neither are most people. I know a *few* people of very iron will, who could probably get by just on their own internal strength. But that isn't me and it probably isn't you.

I agree.

Well, I had a moment of clarity that motivated me. However, this forum -- success stories in particular, and recipes, and journal, and blogs -- etc. helped keep that up long enough for me to lose enough weight to feel good enough that I was better able to pull a few habits more into my ordinary life.

Or as you say your comfort zone, so that "motivation" is not really required; it needs to be 'just another day' and then the process works on its own. Then motivation or not, 'willpower' isn't needed, only 'habit'.

PS I think setting goals with getting something, for me, is less about getting it -- (a) if I want it I'll buy it, and (b) that doesn't motivate me -- so much as making a discipline, like, if I don't succeed at this goal, I will NOT get it. In other words I see rewards more as punishments than pleasures, because I know I could have the thing anyway, and I know if I want to do it I will (or won't) regardless of the reward.

That is exactly how I look at it, only I see the incorporation of it as a way of living to be the evidence of motivation. Or, put differently, you hit a point that it is easier to lose weight than to live fat. Or, put even differently, I see the whole issue as being the Nike slogan: Just do it! I haven't seen a lot of successful people who did it any other way, whether it is weight loss or career achievement. If you aren't going to just do it you never do it.

:agree: Yup Liz....that was me....I had always been looking for my motivation and never found it. I just could not live being morbidly obese any longer....it was a "just do it" for me.

At first, it was scary time....would I make it, could I make it....but each day that I got through, helped me to feel like I would and could....it built on itself. Was I motivated? or was I just doing it.....shrug

I recall the last blackout we had here almost 5 yrs ago...before I lost the weight. I got very scared because I was forced to climb 14 flights of stairs several times and felt like I was having a heart attack. That and having been through 9/11.....I realized that my very life may just depend on my being able to escape. Fear of death can be a great motivator!! :o

I knew that I had to change permanently...that there would be no going back to the way I used to eat. I iwsh I could bottle this for others.

I think you must be using some personal, non-dictionary definition of motivation.

Motivation - a motivating force, stimulus, or influence : incentive, drive

No external thing can influence you or stimulate you? No external thing can give you incentive or drive to act? How about material goods, approval of others, or sex?

Kyrasdad, I agree with Advantage. By your stats you've lost 90 lbs. you didn't do that without SOMETHING inside you wanting to make a change. I see your point about the iPods, but to some that's not motivation, more like a reward for a job well done.

Jake, after 21 years of being a hard-core smoker, I am now smoke free since Jan/01. Good luck, it was one of the hardest things I ever did, and I didn't do it on my own. I used a nicotine patch, which unfortunately, they no longer make.

My wake up call was a black and white commercial, with about a 55 year old woman sitting there just talking about how she could never give up the cigarettes, they had such a hold on her, etc. At the end of the commercial, she took a drag off the cigarette from the device in her throat. (sorry i dont know the technical term). I was about 37 at the time, and it floored me. I just felt omg, thats me if i don't quit NOW!
good luck with your efforts.
Now, if I could just get that motivated about my weight loss efforts, I'd be a happy camper.

RightNow...what an awesome post.

The best I have ever done, during this journey of up and down and ultimately up, up, up, was when I was at my last "all time high". I was having incidences where I felt like I couldn't get any air in...I'd be standing in the line at the post office with packages to ship (I do a lot of shipping for my business), and realize I might have to say something like call 911 because I just about couldn't get a breath in.
I ended up seeing a pulmonary specialist, who told me not much was found and yes, if I lost the weight, it would all resolve (along with the sleep apnea).

I don't know from where, but until a few months before I quit (after almost 4 years on plan), anytime I had that kind of thinking that says, "just this one meal why not...", or "go ahead, it's a special holiday, take the day off", a voice inside me would answer..it would be honest, it would be no nonsense, it was a part of me I don't remember accessing before - coming as it did from my unconscious.

I know that with that part of me active again, I will go much further...I am listening...today is Day 4, back on plan.

Terrific thread everyone! I dunno why it can't be both a lifestyle and good decisions/choices, as well as pumped up enthusiasm once inna while!

Consistent good choices plus motivational spurts! I definitely agree that this is a marathon! You gotta be in it for the long haul. And endurance on low carb shouldn't be simply a will power thing - though everybody probably has their moments.

And maybe there isn't just one way, or one mental place that works for everyone. I am all about learning new ninja skills and tactics for dealing with life situations. Learning about myself and my own weaknesses and struggles. For me this is all about permanent life changes and sustainability - low carb life over the long haul! If an i-Pod or reward helps someone with their focus and commitment - good for them! If there are specific goals that can become the motivational focus, terrific! When I used to run long ago, I used to look to a certain landmark (maybe a telephone pole) and just focus on my best run between where I was and that next landmark. Then once I arrived there, I picked a new one! And that was how I stayed focussed over the course of my run. And of course at the same time I was looking to do better over the entire run as well! But I took it in chunks that I could deal with in the here and now.

Good luck to you all!!!

A little bit back on this thread, ValerieL quote Winterlily on "little things," as motivators.


That just happened today to me! I'd been dragging, stalling, going off the WOE, but yesterday I ate right. Today, I put on a dress to go out, dropped something, and just naturally dropped down with two knees together to the side, my butt on my heels, and picked it up.
I took two steps before I realized what I had done! You're right. It's really an amazing feeling. Something we once took for granted! No more.

It's also the growing sense of management of self that RightNow (PJ?) talks about, so that even when I fall/fail, I know that I don't want to keep doing that. If I'm stalled, I'm going to redefine it as maintenance, or muscle replacing fat, or something.

*Bump*

--Melissa

Thanks for the bump, Melissa. I thought I was reading a current thread until I saw your bump!

I'm reading and letting the good words sink in -- am back after having lost 105 pounds and having gained most of it back. I need these words and gems of wisdom as part of my support system, as part of my motivation. I find that sometimes one little thing that someone says gives me focus and helps me stay on course for even just one day and I do appreciate insight that others bring.

Thanks

You're welcome, Louise. I found the thread insightful and thought that other members who weren't around when it was posted would as well. Good luck in your journey.

--Melissa

Just read through the rest of this thread and it brought this quote to mind:

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act, but a habit. --Aristotle.

--Melissa

I needed this today - and last night I watched a show called 627 pound woman on TLC - it was about this amazing woman who was having bariatric surgery to lose wieght, and the struggles she faced. What struck me was how positive and uplifting her attitude was through it all - even through the complications. It also reinforced that I don't want to be in that same position and I had better do soemthing about myself now!!!

I like that quote, Melissa. It's very true, isn't it?

I do martial arts--I started a new one about 14 months ago. My punches were the absolute worst in the class; I couldn't seem to get the whole quick recoil concept. In the beginning, I would quickly despair in the middle of the training session -- "God I suck! Why am I so bad at this? Will I ever be able to punch properly?" From my standpoint back then, it was too overwhelming to even think about all the changes I'd have to make in order to get where I wanted to be.

What ended up working for me in martial arts is what will work for me if I apply it to my fat loss journey: just do it, every day, and forget about the ultimate goal. If you keep it up consistently, and never quit, you can't help but improve. With that principle in mind, my punches very slowly got better over the course of a year. I was in there 5 days a week hitting those pads, training hard but not frantically. I just did it, and continued to do it. It was a leap of faith, but I believed in the principle of persistence.

The result...I have been getting compliments on my punching from instructors and other students this spring! A year ago that seemed impossible.

Now if only I had approached my weight loss journey that way from the beginning...I would have not only reached goal long ago, but also, I would have been able to maintain it for years. But instead I have been letting my short-term thinking get the better of me...hit a stall and despair, then self-sabotage...it's an impossible way to sustain anything at all.

So thanks J for reminding us of how to do it.