The real human diet is a totally carnivorous one: The Support Thread
 

I don't know if or when TheBear will return, but I plan on following his advice and invite others who are interested in a totally carnivorous diet to join me.

Rob,

Are there any general guidelines for the Carnivourous Diet? For example, what meats are restricted (liver?) and what if any supplements are acceptable and which are to be avoided?

Is drinking teas or coffee OK? I would think so as they contain no macro-nutrients and are just flavored water.

Dodger,
No supplements are NECESSARY! No meats are "restricted". Liver should be eaten 1-2 times a month only because it is higher in carb and has glycogen. Tea or coffee is ok in small amounts. Eat as much meat and eggs as you need to in order to be full, you do not need to go hungry on a meat diet. Cream, butter and good oils like macadamia, palm and coconut oil are allowed.
Those that might know more than me feel free to correct me if i am wrong, i am going by memory. I was in Bears thread from post 1 and i learned alot!

I refer you to: The real human diet is a totally carnivorous one

I will share my plan with you: I try to keep my coffee intake to a minimum. I don't drink tea. IMO, supplements are a waste of time and money. Outside of some beefheart in soup, I don't eat any organ meats.

If you want to find out what Bear does, you ca do a search on all posts by theBear. This is simply a support thread for people who are following the carnivorous path.

I've been following a carnivorous diet for a little over a month now. I let myself "get used to it" slowly. But in the past week i've been following it without any veggies, fruit etc, and feel the best i've ever had!

:devil: We're baaaaaack!!! :sunny:

:clap:

Great idea, Rob!

Looking forward to seeing input from you guys and the Man, the Bear.

How are your things going (Weight loss, cravings, etc)?

I have to admit that I followed the Carnivore thread with great interest, and that, like many others, I will never look the same at vegetables...

Oops, sorry for the double post, browser problems...

Rob!

Thanks so much for starting this thread!

I was beginning to think I was the only one in the world who enjoyed the taste of a really rare steak!

I have been eating this way for a few weeks now, down to VERY low carbs now. I feel really great!

I take no supplements, and eat liver only occasionally. I eat it raw, since I know the source. It's bison liver.

I eat a LOT of raw eggs every morning... just the yolks.

Great thread!

I'm not quite ready to take the raw egg path yet :D

But boy do I love raw meat. Seriously. I love it when it's still even a little cool in the middle. I just have to get used to the occasional liver and deal with my fear of liver :lol:

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Originally Posted by Dodger Rob, Are there any general guidelines for the Carnivourous Diet? For example, what meats are restricted (liver?) and what if any supplements are acceptable and which are to be avoided? Is drinking teas or coffee OK? I would think so as they contain no macro-nutrients and are just flavored water.

Hey, Mike,

I'm not Rob, but on a "carnivorous diet"... or an "antivegan diet" as I like to call it (some call it "Bear's Diet"... but, hey, what's in a name?)... one can eat any animal food they can get their hands on. Liver is OK, but must not be done to any excess... it's usually best if only done once every other week, but I'm sure once a week would not be bad. Liver has carbs (from the glycogen) so you have to be careful in consuming too much. It has lots of Vit A, so you don't want to get too much of that either. Eat it raw, or just slightly cooked.

Butter, cream, cheese, cream cheese... any animal fat is VERY important to consume. You don't have to consume any dairy, but, in that case, you would want to consume lots of animal fat from the body of animals. Rendering kidney suet is a wonderful way to get cooking fat. Tallow is the name for the rendered fat from cows, bison... herbivores. This stuff is excellent for cooking eggs (omelets and the like). It handles high heat and nothing sticks to the pan. It beats coconut oil hands down! And, compared to coconut oil, it's very cheap (usually free, in fact). You will get a lot of good animal fat in if you use this. Chicken skin is another good way to get fat... or turkey, duck, etc. skin.

The fat content in your diet should be around 70-80% of calories. This usually is about half/half by weight of muscle meat to fat.

So, Mike, how long have you been eating this way? Or have you not started yet? It is real easy after you get through the first few days. You're hunger will vanish and you won't be edgy with any food cravings. Your stomach/gut may have to remind you to eat, since your blood sugar will be incredibly steady on this WOE. Hunger is a non-issue (it's totally absent). Really strange feeling. A feeling most people have never had in their whole life. I never did before eating this way.

As far as coffee goes... keep it under 10oz a day, if you can. I am going to try and do without it for a while and see how it goes. With very little carbs in my diet, I am never groggy in the morning as I use to be... so don't really need it. It is nice to have something warm to drink in the morning though, so I am not too sure how easy it will be to give this up. Habits die hard, but they can be replaced with others, since humans are very much "creatures of habit".

3 or 4 weeks and counting...
 

I've been pretty much completely carnivorous for the past month or so by having assorted meats, eggs, and cheese. I do have liver a few times per week.

I prefer my steaks medium rare on the rare side. I feel great. I'm not sure why, but I could eat a fatty steak everyday and never tire of it. I don't miss veggies, at all. LOL

Only thing that I miss is chocolate.

This is my 47th day of being veggie, starch and low-carb-product free :clap: I'm already seeing real positive results physically. So much for the "you lose it slower the more times you do it" hoopla.

Me too, Dean

I'm with Rob. I plan to follow this thread just as close as I did theBear's. Hopefully everyone will respond politely and PC so it doesn't get closed too. I don't think theBear will be back.

I eat 'mostly' carnivorous. I do have some berries for dessert after my evening meal. I eat nuts as a snack. I use onions in my omelets and I eat tomatoes when they are ripe in the garden. I will be eating asparagus when they appear later this spring.

Todays menu so far has been carnivorous, except for some nuts and the homemade BBQ sauce I had on the ribs.

The only liver that I can stand the taste of is chicken livers. I haven't had them for many years though.

Eggs, cheese, chicken, steak and a low carb wrap to make a sandwich for lunch is what I've been eating (Veggies SUCK!!! :lol: ). I bug my wife pretty much everyday to make rare steak for dinner! I haven't gotten tired of rare steak and I've never been a big steak eater!

Pretty sure the very low carb approach helped me break into the 180's as I was kind of stuck in the low to mid 190's!

I hope Bear comes back, but I don't blame him if he doesn't.

Rob,

I have a lot more fear of raw meat, than raw eggs. But, I know my source of bison, so I really shouldn't. Does anyone know how long one must freeze deer to kill all the parasites? Are there some that cannot be killed in this fashion? It is true that there are many parasites in wild game meat. This is one reason I see for freezing some meat. That and getting it for $0.40/lb! ;)

Frankly, I want to cook meat just enough to kill any parasites and bacteria. This may be crazy, but I am kind of microphobic when it comes to these little creatures! I know there are those who say your body will develop defenses against them, but I am just not ready to take the plunge completely into that WOE yet.

So, is the meat really raw inside your steaks? Or is it just cooked really rare?

Raw egg yolks are nothing to fear. The number of salmonella cases are so low, and if you are not immunocompromised, you will be just fine. I use brown eggs that I get from the grocery store that are mass produced on a farm in Texas (says on the carton where they come from). They are commercial eggs in every sense of the word. I just got bold though and started using them. Before, I had always restricted my eating of raw egg yolks to eggs I got from friends in the country (free-range). But, not now. During the winter or other times when their production is down, I just buy at the grocery store.

I think once you get over the squeamishness of eating anything raw, it is really no big deal.

Does anyone have extensive experience eating raw animal food? Would love to hear more about this... and incorporate more of it into my eating. I know it is very important to do some of this, in order to get all those good nutrients that are in animal food.

Thanks for starting this thread Rob. I read every page of theBear's original thread, only posted twice to thank theBear for the inspiration, etc. Mostly I was an innocent bystander :lol: I have started eating this way over the past few weeks. It hasn't been perfect but it is close to it. I drink more coffee than I should and I'm working to reduce that. I've given into chocolate a few times but I've got much better and haven't even had that lately.

I feel great, I don't ever feel hungry, and I finally losing weight.

Just wanted to mention as well, I am breastfeeding my 6 month old baby (sometimes my 3 yr old still). My milk supply is still wonderful.

I eat mainly rare/raw steak, some cheeses and cream, and eggs as well. Sometimes I use a tiny bit of sour cream with fish sauce for my steaks. I do like variety so I've been eating smoked salmon about once per week. I know some don't eat pork, but I get good quality pork from an Amish farm and that sometimes. Bacon sometimes but I've eliminated salt and find it too salty mostly now. Oh, and liver I do about once per month...raw. I just grate it finely and eat it with a spoon.

Looking forward to checking in here and reporting my progress. I've lost 5 lbs in the last 2 weeks, and 2 of those lbs are in 4 days time since being more strict and not eating chocolate.

The way I like my steak is just seared on the outside, but pretty much raw on the inside. The inside is warm, but very rare. The steak is so much more flavorful and juicy like that. Cooking it too long dries it out and makes it tough. When prepared the way I like, the steak almost melts in your mouth.

Nice looking place ya got here-- very comfy lookin! :rheart:


Last time Rob followed Bear's guidance he lost 120lbs. This time it's for life!

Coming soon again, baby! :agree:


ALOHA! :wave:

Thanks, Paul!

I will definitely have to give this a try. Right now, I just grill most of my meat in my broiler (under my gas stove). I put the broiler pan down from the heat as far as I can, and turn the meat after only about 5 minutes. I will try to cook it in some tallow, in a pan, or at least turn the meat after just a couple minutes perhaps.

Way to go, Rob!

You will be able to get down to your proper weight with no problem... and live a long, healthy life, eating this way! Congrats on your progress so far! :thup:

I have been trying my best to eat meat, eggs, fat and cheese for the past 2 weeks. I havent done it perfectly but i am working on it. I was on atkins induction and had come to a stall during my 4th and 5th week. Since i started eating per Bear's recommendations i have now lost 7 lbs in two weeks! The one thing i struggle with is wanting nuts or occasional peanut butter. I really dont miss the veggies. It is really hard to do this extreme WOE. i got really frustrated once and almost completely quit (well i did quit for a day and a half actually!). I am thankful for the support of all of you doing this carnivorous thing with me! I am trying to give it a chance. I am looking forward to seeing everyones results and comments. I really hope Bear comes in here and posts also! I miss TheBear!

ATTN:

Bears thread will be open again Tomorrow!!

This is a post by the forum founder:

This thread will be re-opened tomorrow, April 11th, at 9 AM EST.

Been this way now for 80+ days. Glad to see this thread :) Thanks Rob for the invite.

I do things a bit diff. I don't limit fat like most and add it to my food. I do the beef raw or VERY rare (seared on the grill), seafood (cooked and sashimi), no dairy except for an occasional shake if I am unable to have a meal, no veggies or grains of course. 2 small cups coffee a day and no soda. Just water all day.

Thanks again!

I'm gonna have a go at this too. gosh, people think atkins is bad "all that meat and fat" this should give em something to moan about LOL

Jo

Thanks Rob
I have been lurking on the bears thread.
Can't stand fighting.
Diane

Hey, Diane!

Glad to see ya "over here". That other thread is too rife with squabbling to be productive! I think it may be beyond the point of no return... Bear's return, especially. Who needs the constant nit-picking?

Hey, do you know the answer to my question about freezing meat? Will it kill all the parasites (like in deer meat especially)? Are there some parasites that will not be killed by freezing? And, for how long, and how low a temp should one freeze deer to kill all those guys?

Thanks, Diane!

Here is what the USDA says about freezing meats and parasites:



And in the CDC fact sheet on trichinellosis,

Thanks for the info, Mike!

Diane, do you have anything to add?