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nobimbo Mon, Jan-26-04 15:47

High Carb Diet Linked To Weight Loss (fishy study)
 
I'm sure this will be all over the news tonight. Be prepared!

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/7801389.htm

Posted on Mon, Jan. 26, 2004

Study links high-carbs and weight loss
By LINDSEY TANNER
Associated Press

CHICAGO - In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that by eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose weight without actually cutting calories - and without exercising, either.

The study was small, consisting of just 34 overweight adults who either ate the recommended diet for three months; ate the recommended diet and exercised regularly; or ate pretty much what they usually eat.

All meals were prepared for participants, who were instructed to eat as much as they wanted. They also were told to return any uneaten food, which the researchers said enabled them to calculate calorie intake.

Many doctors dispute whether people can lose weight without reducing their food intake, and at least one questioned the study's accuracy.

But the diet is more compatible with conventional notions of healthful eating than the fatty, low-carbohydrate Atkins and South Beach diets.

Participants on the recommended diet lost about 7 pounds without cutting calories and without exercise, and almost 11 pounds with 45 minutes of stationary bike-riding four times weekly. The control group lost no weight.

The findings appear in Monday's Archives of Internal Medicine.

Gary Foster, clinical director of the University of Pennsylvania's Weight and Eating Disorders Program, said he suspects participants who lost weight ate less than what was reported. He said that while he recommends a low-fat, high carb diet to patients, without calorie reduction it would be "a public health disaster."

"The whole idea that you could lose weight without reducing energy intake flies in the face of 100 years of data," Foster said.

Lead author William Evans of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences stood by his findings.

"Calories in minus calories out does not always determine the amount of weight loss," Evans said. "This is because we metabolize fats and carbohydrates very differently."

American Dietetic Association spokeswoman Cindy Moore agreed and said with low-carb diets hogging the spotlight, "it may be a reminder that we can lose weight in a variety of different ways."

Foods on the successful diets included high-fiber cereal, vegetarian chili, whole-wheat spaghetti, many fruits and vegetables, and skim milk. Daily calories totaled about 2,400, similar to participants' usual consumption.

The control group also received prepared meals with similar calories, but the foods included sausage, scrambled eggs, macaroni and cheese, French fries, whole milk and fewer fruits and vegetables.

The successful diet was not tested against Atkins and other low-carb regimens, which contain more fat and fewer carbs than the control group diet.

Linda

gotbeer Mon, Jan-26-04 17:20

Yikes! Almost 60 reprints on google so far already.

Now you can say "we didn't test Atkins" and still ring everyone's bell because you MENTIONED Atkins!

gotbeer Mon, Jan-26-04 17:28

here's the actual study:

link to study

Effects of an Ad Libitum Low-Fat, High-Carbohydrate Diet on Body Weight, Body Composition, and Fat Distribution in Older Men and Women

A Randomized Controlled Trial

Nicholas P. Hays, PhD; Raymond D. Starling, PhD; Xiaolan Liu, MD; Dennis H. Sullivan, MD; Todd A. Trappe, PhD; James D. Fluckey, PhD; William J. Evans, PhD

Arch Intern Med. 2004;164:210-217.


Background The efficacy of ad libitum low-fat diets in reducing body weight and fat in overweight and obese adults remains controversial.

Methods We examined the effect of a 12-week low-fat, high–complex carbohydrate diet alone (HI-CHO) and in combination with aerobic exercise training (HI-CHO + EX) on body weight and composition in 34 individuals with impaired glucose tolerance (20 women and 14 men; mean ± SEM age, 66 ± 1 years). Participants were randomly assigned to a control diet (41% fat, 14% protein, 45% carbohydrates, and 7 g of fiber per 1000 kcal), a HI-CHO diet (18% fat, 19% protein, 63% carbohydrates, and 26 g of fiber per 1000 kcal), or a HI-CHO diet plus endurance exercise 4 d/wk, 45 min/d, at 80% peak oxygen consumption (HI-CHO + EX). Participants were provided 150% of estimated energy needs and were instructed to consume food ad libitum. Total food intake, body composition, resting metabolic rate, and substrate oxidation were measured.

Results There was no significant difference in total food intake among the 3 groups and no change in energy intake over time. The HI-CHO + EX and HI-CHO groups lost more body weight (–4.8 ± 0.9 kg [P = .003] and –3.2 ± 1.2 kg [P = .02]) and a higher percentage of body fat (–3.5% ± 0.7% [P = .01] and –2.2% ± 1.2% [P = .049]) than controls (–0.1 ± 0.6 kg and 0.2% ± 0.6%). In addition, thigh fat area decreased in the HI-CHO (P = .003) and HI-CHO + EX (P<.001) groups compared with controls. High carbohydrate intake and weight loss did not result in a decreased resting metabolic rate or reduced fat oxidation.

Conclusion A high-carbohydrate diet consumed ad libitum, with no attempt at energy restriction or change in energy intake, results in losses of body weight and body fat in older men and women.


From the Nutrition, Metabolism, and Exercise Laboratory, Donald W. Reynolds Department of Geriatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences and Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System, Little Rock. Dr Starling is now with Pfizer Global Research and Development, Groton, Conn. The authors have no relevant financial interest in this article.

gotbeer Mon, Jan-26-04 17:38

related article:

Fighting Diabetes With Carbs

NEW YORK, Jan.26, 2004


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004...ain596040.shtml

(CBS) For 64-year-old Ruthie Gentry-Ford, it's been a nagging concern her whole life.

"Some day I may be a candidate for diabetes if I don't continue to watch my weight," she says.

Like millions of other overweight elderly Americans, the pressure to slim down and avoid diabetes is huge and, as CBS News Correspondent Elizabeth Kaledin reports, finding the right diet is a challenge.

But researchers at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences say a study conducted there could help.

They put dozens of people like Ruthie, ages 56 to 78 and all at risk of diabetes, on a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet, but did not cut any calories.

"Lots of bagels, lots of fruit and vegetables.

Participants exercised four times a week and after 12 weeks lost an average of 11 pounds.

"Essentially what our study showed is that you can lose weight by just reducing your fat intake without reducing your total calorie intake," says Dr. William Evans.

Of course, the study contradicts the current diet craze that says fat is fine and blames weight gain on our love of carbohydrates like breads and pasta. But that's a short-term fix. Researchers say people at risk of diabetes need a diet they can stick with.

By not cutting calories, the University of Arkansas diet left its customers satisfied.

"This is a diet people can live with and should live with the rest of their lives," says Evans.

The study is too small to draw large conclusions from, but for now it's working for Gentry-Ford, except for one thing:

"Every now and then I miss the Kentucky Fried Chicken," she says.

Then she remembers how good it feels to be lowering her risk of diabetes and she digs into a turkey sandwich instead.

melissasvh Mon, Jan-26-04 17:43

the foods the groups were given sound pretty close to SBD to me.

gotbeer Mon, Jan-26-04 18:04

Flaws in the study:

1. Participants knew their food was being monitored by the studiers. (not a real-world condition). This may have discouraged them from overeating.

2. Participants had no menu selections - all food was prepared for them. (not a real-world condition).

3. Participants were already diabetic or pre-diabetic, so they were under additional pressure to lose weight.

4. Did participants have real-world access to junk food, or was it restricted artificially?

5. "Researchers say people at risk of diabetes need a diet they can stick with." Just so.

6. No comparison to an Atkins alternative.

7. No long-term follow-up (yet).

Lisa N Mon, Jan-26-04 18:15

one more flaw:

1) No blood test results. What happened to their HDL, LDL, Triglycerides and blood sugars?

If you're thinner, but your cardiac profile and blood glucose are worsened, are you better off?

doreen T Mon, Jan-26-04 18:29

Here't the actual study abstract .. http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/co...tract/164/2/210

Effects of an Ad Libitum Low-Fat, High-Carbohydrate Diet on Body Weight, Body Composition, and Fat Distribution in Older Men and Women

A Randomized Controlled Trial

Nicholas P. Hays, PhD; Raymond D. Starling, PhD; Xiaolan Liu, MD; Dennis H. Sullivan, MD; Todd A. Trappe, PhD; James D. Fluckey, PhD; William J. Evans, PhD

Arch Intern Med. 2004;164:210-217.


Background - The efficacy of ad libitum low-fat diets in reducing body weight and fat in overweight and obese adults remains controversial.

Methods - We examined the effect of a 12-week low-fat, high–complex carbohydrate diet alone (HI-CHO) and in combination with aerobic exercise training (HI-CHO + EX) on body weight and composition in 34 individuals with impaired glucose tolerance (20 women and 14 men; mean ± SEM age, 66 ± 1 years). Participants were randomly assigned to a control diet (41% fat, 14% protein, 45% carbohydrates, and 7 g of fiber per 1000 kcal), a HI-CHO diet (18% fat, 19% protein, 63% carbohydrates, and 26 g of fiber per 1000 kcal), or a HI-CHO diet plus endurance exercise 4 d/wk, 45 min/d, at 80% peak oxygen consumption (HI-CHO + EX). Participants were provided 150% of estimated energy needs and were instructed to consume food ad libitum. Total food intake, body composition, resting metabolic rate, and substrate oxidation were measured.

Results - There was no significant difference in total food intake among the 3 groups and no change in energy intake over time. The HI-CHO + EX and HI-CHO groups lost more body weight (–4.8 ± 0.9 kg [P = .003] and –3.2 ± 1.2 kg [P = .02]) and a higher percentage of body fat (–3.5% ± 0.7% [P = .01] and –2.2% ± 1.2% [P = .049]) than controls (–0.1 ± 0.6 kg and 0.2% ± 0.6%). In addition, thigh fat area decreased in the HI-CHO (P = .003) and HI-CHO + EX (P<.001) groups compared with controls. High carbohydrate intake and weight loss did not result in a decreased resting metabolic rate or reduced fat oxidation.

Conclusion - A high-carbohydrate diet consumed ad libitum, with no attempt at energy restriction or change in energy intake, results in losses of body weight and body fat in older men and women.


From the Nutrition, Metabolism, and Exercise Laboratory, Donald W. Reynolds Department of Geriatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences and Central Arkansas Veterans Healthcare System, Little Rock. Dr Starling is now with Pfizer Global Research and Development, Groton, Conn. The authors have no relevant financial interest in this article.


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• mean age of participants 66 ± 1 yr
• all had impaired glucose tolerance
• thigh fat decreased, but no mention of abdominal fat, which is more closely linked to insulin resistance and cardiac risk
• there's no mention of the participants' starting weights or degree of obesity, if any
• no mention of lipid profile before & after
• no mention if the impaired glucose tolerance of participants improved or worsened by the end of the study.


Doreen

bvtaylor Mon, Jan-26-04 19:31

Yep I agree ...
 
Quote:
• mean age of participants 66 ± 1 yr
• all had impaired glucose tolerance
• thigh fat decreased, but no mention of abdominal fat, which is more closely linked to insulin resistance and cardiac risk
• there's no mention of the participants' starting weights or degree of obesity, if any
• no mention of lipid profile before & after
• no mention if the impaired glucose tolerance of participants improved or worsened by the end of the study.

And to add, when they say "high" carbohydrate--looks like from the meal plans that there were a lot of whole foods (the same whole foods that Atkins recommends for maintenance) which may be a big contrast to what folks ate before the plan. We know that high+fat plus high processed carbs = heart disease. Sounds like that's what they did to the control group, whereas the test group ate more fiber, protein, and more nutrient-dense carbs. It wasn't apples to apples!

Quote:
Foods on the successful diets included high-fiber cereal, vegetarian chili, whole-wheat spaghetti, many fruits and vegetables, and skim milk. Daily calories totaled about 2,400, similar to participants' usual consumption.

The control group also received prepared meals with similar calories, but the foods included sausage, scrambled eggs, macaroni and cheese, French fries, whole milk and fewer fruits and vegetables.

If you notice the "high carbohydrate" group ate 19% protein, whereas the control group only 14%. Could the weight loss have improved further with yet other combinations of nutrients?

And this is true:

Quote:
"Calories in minus calories out does not always determine the amount of weight loss," Evans said. "This is because we metabolize fats and carbohydrates very differently."

alaskaman Tue, Jan-27-04 01:14

Self-styled experts are always saying "we don't know the long term effects of Atkins" but in this case, we don't know the long term result of all those carbs on those pre-diabetic people. We know that a diet like that will ruin blood sugars in a diabetic - for my money (does this make me a self-styled expert?) the best way to avoid becoming a diabetic, is to eat like you already are one. That means Atkins or Bernstein. A1c readings talk, b-------- walks. Bill (4.7 A1c)

bevbme Tue, Jan-27-04 11:15

High carb diet recommeded to diabetics
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...igh_carb_diet_2

bevbme Tue, Jan-27-04 11:19

Ok I can't get my message in with the link-I'm inept.

I saw this on the news and hated the thought that they were feeding white bread and junk to folks in danger of developing diabeties. They lost weight but study says nothing about the effect on insulin resistance...arrrrrrgh

doreen T Tue, Jan-27-04 11:53

hi Bev,

I've merged your post in with the thread about this study. You're right, there's no mention about insulin resistance or even blood lipids. Strictly weight and fat loss. :thdown:


Doreen

bvtaylor Tue, Jan-27-04 12:34

Hmmm... another way to read this study
 
I was thinking that based on this study, a Type I Diabetic (who doesn't produce insulin) with uncontrolled blood sugar would be considered healthy. They lose lots of weight, right? Their blood sugar is so high that without the insulin to bond with it, they burn a lot of fat (also damaging the rest of their body).

If fat loss is the only measure of health in this study, that's a pretty scary assessment.

TBoneMitch Tue, Jan-27-04 14:39

Yep! But you know that losing weight on Atkins, even though your blood sugar and energy normalize, your TG drops, and your HDL increases, not only has no long term study backing its efficacity (even though plenty of people have been on it since the 70s), but also encourages you to eat real food instead of processed crap!
I would not touch that fadkins diet with a ten foot pole!
(Ok, another attempt at being sarcastic here...)

gotbeer Thu, Jan-29-04 20:11

"new study appears to be merely a junk science-fueled attack by government nannies"
 
Atkins Attack

Thursday, January 29, 2004

By Steven Milloy, Fox News


link to article

Already-confused dieters are no doubt reeling from reports this week of a new study linking a high-carbohydrate diet (search) with weight loss.

Rather than well-conducted scientific research, though, the new study appears to be merely a junk science-fueled attack by government nannies on politically incorrect low-carbohydrate regimens like the Atkins Diet (search).

“In the midst of the low-carb craze, a new study suggests that by eating lots of carbohydrates and little fat, it is possible to lose weight without actually cutting calories ― and without exercising, either,” reported the Associated Press this week.

“Revenge of the High-Carb Diet ― Ha! It Works, Too” was the Reuters headline.

But unlike the sensationalistic media, which tend to limit their reporting of new study claims to regurgitated press releases and sound bites from study authors, I actually read the study in the Jan. 26 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine.

It didn’t take long to discover why study subjects on the high-carbohydrate lost weight ― they ate fewer calories!

The researchers divided the 34 study subjects into three groups: a control group of 12 individuals who consumed a low-carbohydrate diet (search); a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet; and a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet and did aerobic exercise.

Study subjects were provided with foods constituting 150 percent of their required daily caloric intake and instructed to eat as much as they wanted. Carbohydrates constituted 45 percent of the control groups’ calories and about 62 percent for the high-carbohydrate groups.

After 12 weeks, the study subjects on the control diet weighed the same as when the study started. But study subjects on the high-carbohydrate diet lost weight: about five pounds on average for those in the high-carbohydrate-only group and about 10 pounds for those in the high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise group.

To the study authors and media, these superficial “results” apparently prove that you can lose weight while eating as many carbohydrates as you like ― and you don’t even have to exercise.

It might be a couch potato’s fantasy come true ― except that the study details tell a different story.

As it turns out, study subjects in the high-carbohydrate groups consumed about 400-600 calories less per day than those in the control group. Over the 12-week period of the study, then, the average study subject in the high-carbohydrate group consumed about 42,000 calories less than the average study subject in the control group.

Since a pound of fat represents about 3,500 calories, it’s no wonder why those in the high-carbohydrate group lost weight. It was because they ate less, not because of any magical effects of a high-carbohydrate diet.

Although the media’s apparent lack of interest in examining the actual study data is disappointing, the inaccurate description of the study to the media by lead author William J. Evans of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences is even more dismaying.

He told Reuters that the study subjects ate “around 2,500 calories per day,” thereby implying that the only difference in their diets was the amount of carbohydrates. That’s just plain misleading.

Control group subjects averaged 2,825 calories per day during the 12-week study; high-carbohydrate group subjects averaged 2250 calories per day and high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise subjects averaged 2,413 calories.

Such variation over 12 weeks adds up to significant differences in total caloric intake and is most likely what produced the observed weight loss in the high-carbohydrate groups.

The study authors then had the audacity to slam low-carbohydrate diets, such as the Atkins diet, as a means to lose weight.

“Little evidence exists to support this idea,” wrote the study authors.

But it appears that there’s not even that much evidence in favor of their all-the-carbs-you-can-eat idea.

It’s no secret that nutrition nannies in the federal government oppose high-protein/low-carbohydrate diets like the Atkins plan ― not because such diets don’t work but because their fat-is-OK approach contradicts the nannies’ low-fat dietary prescriptions of the last 30 years. (The irony of course is that obesity has supposedly skyrocketed while America went low-fat.)

Evans and his group, not surprisingly, were funded by the National Institutes of Health, a government group that claims in bold-face on its Web site that “[High-protein/low-carb diets are] not a healthy way to lose weight!”

That may or may not be true. Much more research is needed. Hopefully that research won’t be conducted by biased, government-funded research hacks.

Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the author of Junk Science Judo: Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).

Dean4Prez Fri, Jan-30-04 02:26

Well, this is interesting, but Mr. Milloy doesn't quite "get it" either.
Quote:
The researchers divided the 34 study subjects into three groups: a control group of 12 individuals who consumed a low-carbohydrate diet (search); a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet; and a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet and did aerobic exercise.

Study subjects were provided with foods constituting 150 percent of their required daily caloric intake and instructed to eat as much as they wanted. Carbohydrates constituted 45 percent of the control groups’ calories and about 62 percent for the high-carbohydrate groups.

Maybe Steven Milloy considers a diet containing 45% carbs to be low-carb, but I doubt anyone on here does!
Quote:
...the inaccurate description of the study to the media by lead author William J. Evans of the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences is even more dismaying.

He told Reuters that the study subjects ate “around 2,500 calories per day,” thereby implying that the only difference in their diets was the amount of carbohydrates. That’s just plain misleading.

Control group subjects averaged 2,825 calories per day during the 12-week study; high-carbohydrate group subjects averaged 2250 calories per day and high-carbohydrate-plus-exercise subjects averaged 2,413 calories.

If this is true (I only have Steven Milloy's word for that), words like "dismaying" and "misleading" hardly seem strong enough -- expressions like "cooking the data" and "scientific fraud" would seem to be a closer fit. But there's more to the story than Mr. Milloy is telling us, too.

Looking at the study abstract ( http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/co...tract/164/2/210 ), I note that in addition to 40% more carbohydrates, the "high-carb" diet included almost 30% more protein and almost three times the amount of fiber as the "control" diet. Also, according to the AP version of the story (read it here: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/news/7801389.htm )
Quote:
Foods on the successful diets included high-fiber cereal, vegetarian chili, whole-wheat spaghetti, many fruits and vegetables, and skim milk. Daily calories totaled about 2,400, similar to participants' usual consumption.

The control group also received prepared meals with similar calories, but the foods included sausage, scrambled eggs, macaroni and cheese, French fries, whole milk and fewer fruits and vegetables.

I think the obvious conclusion is that people eating less-processed, high-fiber whole foods will find their diets more satisfying than people eating overprocessed crap like mac 'n cheese or "Freedom Fries." However, I suspect Steven Milloy would sooner come out in favor of gay marriage than appear to be siding with tree-hugging, granola-eating hippies on this debate! :lol:

I'm really tempted to put down the money for the complete text of this study, because I'm curious to see if Mr. Milloy's charge is true. Maybe I could get my friend at Whole Foods Market to pay the $12...

Lez Fri, Jan-30-04 07:00

Ah but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.
(fairy tail)

Lez

ellemenno Fri, Jan-30-04 15:23

Atkins Attack
 
I *thought* I'd seen the "Atkins Attack" article posted somewhere else. ;)

Quote:
Already-confused dieters are no doubt reeling from reports this week of a new study linking a high-carbohydrate diet (search) with weight loss.
Search link is active for www.google.com

Quote:
Rather than well-conducted scientific research, though, the new study appears to be merely a junk science-fueled attack by government nannies on politically incorrect low-carbohydrate regimens like the Atkins Diet (search).
Search link is active for www.google.com

Quote:
The researchers divided the 34 study subjects into three groups: a control group of 12 individuals who consumed a low-carbohydrate diet (search); a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet; and a group of 11 individuals who consumed a high-carbohydrate diet and did aerobic exercise.
Search link is active for www.google.com

Steven Milloy is the publisher of JunkScience.com, an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute and the author of Junk Science Judo: Self-Defense Against Health Scares and Scams (Cato Institute, 2001).
Links are active


Side note: www.lowcarb.ca is the first result when performing a search on "low carbohydrate diet" at www.google.com!!

I love that y'all keep me on my toes! :D

tamarian Fri, Jan-30-04 16:00

It's a real and significant change to find that the media and journalists are now starting to question such tactics by promoters of high-carb diets to misues science. A couple of years ago, similar junk science would have gone unnoticed.

Wa'il


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