I've been doing a bit of lurking on the Atkins board (it's a lot of fun - if any of you haven't tried it, check it out! Saw you there, Gopher, love your pix!). Anyway, a few people have been talking about a 'meat fast' that has been successful in breaking stalls. I wasn't able to glean much info about it, but apparently you eat nothing but meat (I think a weeny amount of cooking oil is OK) and drink nothing but plain water - lots of it. You shouldn't do it for more than three days.

Does anyone know anything about this? Has anyone tried it? It sounds intriguing to me, not too difficult to follow (if I can give up coffee for three days - oy!), and not too boring in the short run.

Rachel

Sounds pretty close to the Stillman's diet, but Debra and Stillman experts here may correct me on this? :confused:

Dr. Atkins has a similar stall-buster called "fat fast" which has a seperate chapter in his new book (I only have the old one).

Wa'il

Re: meat fast
 

Dunno. From what I was able to glean, it's sort of a cross between Stillman (protein only) and the Fat Fast (fat only). Sounds like you can have both the fat and protein in meat, unlike Stillman, which is lean protein only, and unlike the Fat Fast, which is fat only (no or little protein). Well, I'm just curious.

Rachel

Meat & Water Fast
 

Super for extreme metabolic resistance (as is the Fat Fast).

If you go to The LowCarb Retreat [this is one of my MAJOR reference sites, there's not a lot you CAN'T find there, glad you've linked to it, Wa'il ]
http://www.lowcarb.org
and click on "K in Cali's Lowcarbing Dream FAQ"
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream/
then click on "Meat Fast"
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream/meat.html
you get the straight goods.... from the original poster.

Enjoy.


[Edited by IslandGirl on 13-11-00 at 14:16]

Meat Fast
 

I think that Atkins recommends something like cream cheese and mac's all day. Eeeeck!

The meat fast, as it has become known, originated who-knows-where, but it does work. All meat, no cheese, no processed meats (as in pre-packaged), no eggs, and water.

I've done it myself, for two days, and yes, it DOES work. I added a couple eggs in there because I couldn't do it any other way.

If you're brave, give it a shot and remember to take your supplements!

Welcome aboard Christine!



Encouragment at the right time, was thinking about it. I've done the fat fast before so hopefully this should be easier!

Wa'il
400/290/230

meat fast
 

Me too, thanks for the info. I'm trying to get up the nerve. I'm such as SLOW loser(one pound in the last two weeks, sigh)!

But the nice thing about all this is that there's no rush. And despite the fact that I wish things would move a little faster, imagine trying to take the long-term view on a calorie-restricted diet! The longest I've ever managed was a couple of months, and even then, to maintain I was down to 1200 cals/day and hungry all the time.

This is way better! Healthier, too!

Rachel

meat & water fast ;)
 

Last year (on the Lowcarb-List or the Atkins-New, out of St. John's Maelstrom ListServer) a whole crew of us did a "round" of several weeks with Fat Fast Tuesdays and Meat & Water Wednesdays, the rest of the week being (usually) Atkins Induction or Protein Power Phase 1 or whatever we usually did.

It seemed a lot easier to do (face) ONE day of each and then return to 'normal', and it usually provided a bit of a metabolic "kickstart".

Why not try something like that? :confused: I'm thinking about it myself, too much caffeine and stress is playing havoc with my system... :o

Hmm, a group thing. Cool, we can do it and come up with our own study results :). But seriously, this sounds good! Never done such a thing, currenly planning a week of Stillman with an email buddy, but a bigger circle might provide a wider variety of results to compare with. Anyone?

Wa'il

Group thing?
 

Hmmm, sounds kinky. And is that supposed to be a pun, Fat (Fast) Tuesday = Mardi Gras? Could be fun! Do we get to wear costumes?

I'm more interested in the Meat Fast than the Fat Fast, but I could join you Tuesdays and Wednesdays, pork chops in hand!

Rachel

Mee too
 

Why I do need to try this fast as I am gaining and not losing and basically I am eating the same as last year when I was losing. I think my body just needs to get revved up in the losing mode by being on 0 carbs for a couple of days. NOw maybe the weekend will be best for me when I am not working. SO is it best like Stillmans to cut out the fat too?
NNN

Hi, NNN! As I understand it, the meat fast is just that - meat (and lots of water, of course) - and it's not necessary to cut the fat. Judi gave some links up a bit earlier in this thread for more info.

Rachel

Re: Mee too
 

Hi NNN and everybody,

I'm in the same boat too. I don't cheat, I've pretty much been eating just meats, dairy, veggies & lowcarb fruits (ProtPwr) but my loss has been so slow to nil, even with bumping up the exercise a bit. I think the idea behind either of the protein "fasts" isn't so much to lose a quick few pounds (although I'm hopeful ;) ) but rather to jumpstart the metabolism back into LOSE mode. Then when you go back to whatever lowcarb program you've been following, your body will keep on losing. Kinda like when I give my old Rustmobile a kick! :D

I like the idea of everyone contributing ideas and personal observations. Whatever happened to the Stalls and Plateaus forum?? Maybe we could get another thread started where folks could post their experiences, tips, ideas, problems, questions, etc. and it would be permanent. I believe as this forum continues to grow that at any given time, SOMEBODY will be wanting and needing to bust a stall or jumpstart their efforts. Heck, I'll probably be needing to give it another go after New Years. :p

Just my two cents worth
Doreen

OK, when do we start?
 

Sounds like it's a go, fellow low-c'ers! So when do we start?

I personally would prefer to 'fast' on weekdays, rather than weekends, as on weekends I'm more likely to have company or eat out. But I don't suppose we ALL have to 'fast' on the same days.

Well, I'm up for the Meat Fast, Tuesdays and Wednesdays (or any other weekday) for, say, the next three weeks. If it works, maybe longer.

Anyone else?

Rachel

Re: OK, when do we start?
 

I'm doing Stillman tomorrow for a full week, and decide what to do after that based on results :)

Wa'il

:doah: I have had success with the fat fast. Am on it right now (Atkins suggest 5 days, does anyone know if it is okay to do it longer?) Have not tried the meat fast. How much meat are you supposed to eat per day? :devil:

Would it be wise to do the meat fast while on induction?
I'd really like to try it for a day because the weight just isn't coming off that fast.........what do ya'll think?
Pati

Not wise at all IMNSHO. Things like the Meat Fast are meant to be used only when stalled. And a stall means no pounds or inches lost for a minimum of 4 weeks. ;)

Your weight actually IS coming off fast, even if you don't realise it. It's unfortunate that Dr Atkins makes such a big deal in his book about people losing huge amounts during Induction. People can lose huge amounts, but without exception they are folk who have very large amounts to lose. People like you, with somewhat smaller amounts to lose, will inevitably lose more slowly.

What does seem to happen is that people will lose on average about 10% of the weight they need to lose during Induction. You have already lost 16% - well done! (See what I mean about your weight coming off fast? ;))

And after Induction, we only lose (on average - we are all different) about 5% of the weight we need to lose per month. So it might help to realise that this truly is a way of life, not just a quick loss diet.

HTH

:rose:Rosebud:rose:

I have done Stillmans several times for about 5 days. Once I did it for 2 weeks with an Atkins weekend in the middle. It is very effective at breaking stalls but very, very boring.

Also it is not as low fat as it is made out to be. My fitday from when I was doing it shows that I was still getting about half my calories form fat. There's fat in eggs, meat (even lean meat) and fish.

After a week on Stillamns a big green salad seems like a real treat.

By the way a warning to anyone who is thinking of doing Stillmans. You will get very constipated so be prepared with some laxatives or you could make yourself ill.

Good luck Wa'il!

P.S. I once asked for a Stillmans forum and you politely refused - maybe you'll rethink now you're a convert LOL!

thanks for your input, Rosebud............I guess I needed to hear that !
pati

Robert, if you're referring to Wa'il's post, go back and check the date. ;)

Roz

:doah: Well, not one of you have addressed my question. Some of you tried to answer assuming I have expertise in Stillman's, which I know nothing about. When writing to someone about something one must not assume the receipient knows what you know. In fact, PatyGayle in essence started her own thread within mine. Please learn how to start your own thread if you have your own question. Anyway, thanks for the effort but please if someone starts a thread please focus on answering the question instead of going of on a tangent. :devil:

Hi there btmncrt,

I don't quite understand why you are so cross with Patigayle. This thread was actually started by r.mines in November 2000. ;) And you are both very welcome to ask questions within this old thread. :)

The only information I have on the Meat Fast is here: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream/meat.html

HTH!

:rose:Rosebud:rose:

Oh my! Silly me! Thanks Ros.

:doah: Dear Rosebud. You are misinformed. The thread was started by me. Look at the top. You are writing about a different thread. I did not mean to be cross or whatever the word you used. I am new to this website and am not really sure how it is to be used. I have noticed a lot of people use it for religeous and political prostelytysing and social gossip. Certainly nothing wrong with that but I did not understand that to be the purpose of the website. I thought the purpose was to learn and share information about low carbing. I just think that if someone wants to ask there own question they should start their own thread to ask there question, not hijack someone else's question which shifts the focus away from the question asked. My question was not whether one should do a meat fast but how to do one. Thank you for your information. I have had to wade though about 8 or 9 responses to get one that actually addressed my question. In fact the very last one, the one after yours, has absolutely nothing to do with low carbing or my question. As far as I can tell it has nothing to do with anything. Regarding the cryptic remarks of the people who reference the Stillman' diet, my comments, as a writer, were meant to remind or instruct people that when communicating an idea if you communicate something where you assume the receipient knows something, who does not, one communicates nothing. :devil:

:doah: Weel Rosebud, upon further scrutiny, we are both right. I started the a thread but the website combined it with the thread of r. simes which basically asked the same question. When I have come to the thread, it goes immeidatly to my first question. In any event everything that came after my question was either non responsive or not understandable. I don't know if most of the people using the website have lots of time to waste; but, assuming they don't I just think this website if more effective and efficient if people stick to the topic and communicate in a manner which can be understood. But then, what do I know, I am frequently wrong about things. :devil:

Btmncrt, I reiterate, you did not start this thread. ;)

You did however, start this one on the same subject.

If you are ever not sure where your particular posts are, just click on at the bottom of any of your posts.

:rose:Rosebud:rose:

Hi guys -

Your posts have been very interesting. I was wondering if anyone who has done or is doing the Fat Fast has sample menu. I would like to get some ideas - some motivation!

Thanks in advance!

Michelle :daizy:

Hi Michelle,

I only tried the Fat Fast once, and I have to say I found it pretty hard going. I simply followed the foods as mentioned by Dr A in Dr Atkins' New Diet Revolution.
I found the Meat Fast a lot easier, and it worked too. ;) You might also be interested in trying the Stillman's Diet.

I'd also suggest before you try anything as drastic as these, have a look here at The Plateau Buster's Checklist.

Cheers.

:rose:Rosebud:rose: