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Verbena Mon, Jan-01-18 01:06

How Offal Can It Be?
 
We low carbers know that eating offal/variety meats/innards is a good thing, but some of us find it hard to do. Personally, I like the “interesting” bits, but know that not everybody does. Once upon a time, in a past life, I spent 3 years at an Irish boarding school; lots of good memories, but the food was not optimal. To this day I can’t face any sort of milk pudding - rice, tapioca, etc. I just can’t eat it, even though I have read the recipe, and know that it sounds appetizing. But even 3 years of Irish boarding school didn’t ruin my taste for liver. Go figure. (My mother was a good cook; she made a lovely steak & kidney pie, and liver & onions. She never made tapioca pudding)
I try to fit liver or kidneys in to the menu rotation fairly regularly. DH is European, so doesn’t have a problem with that, for the most part. I have a friend who’s brother in law raises lambs for his table, and those of his relatives. I asked her once whether he would be willing to sell me the kidneys. She said she thought he might; usually he just threw them into the woods “for the bear”. As it turned out he started “throwing” them at me, no charge. After a year or so my package of kidneys started containing liver & heart as well. Lucky me.
I thought it might not be a bad thing to start a conversation about the less well thought of bits of the animals we eat. Do you eat offal? If so, what are your favorite recipes? If not, why not? And would you be willing to change your mind?

cotonpal Mon, Jan-01-18 04:53

I eat liver, heart and just got up the nerve to try kidney. I haven't quite figured out what to do with kidney yet but heart I now grind and use in stir fry and for liver I mostly do a layered slow cooker thing with liver, onion, bacon and mushrooms. I wish someone would throw me some offal for free :). I eat offal mostly because after keeping carbs low I prioritize nutrient density plus I like it.

Jean

Ambulo Mon, Jan-01-18 06:17

I eat liver, kidney and heart. I wish I could get the traditional stuff like brains, tripe and sweetbreads too. How weird would my organic farmers think me if I dared to ask?

bevangel Mon, Jan-01-18 10:19

I really like beef and chicken liver. Hubby likes chicken liver so we have that about 2 or 3 times per month. He won't touch beef liver tho so I only cook it for myself when he is out of town. But there is a restaurant that we go to fairly regularly that has beef liver on the menu and that's my standard order there.

Other than liver tho, I haven't ever tried too many forms of offal. Somehow the word "offal" is really off-putting which may be the reason we Americans tend to be loath to try such meats. :lol:

Our local grocery stores carry sweetbreads, heart, and tripe. I've never tried any of them tho because I haven't got a clue how to cook them.

Verbena Mon, Jan-01-18 12:34

You're absolutely right Bevangel, a new name is needed! The Germans say "Innereien" (innards), which I'm not sure is better. "Variety meats" used to be the term in the US, but I don't think such a euphemism is any better.
Yesterday I made meatballs, for which I defrosted a pound of ground beef. I like to mix about a quarter pound of liver into the grind, but somehow my frozen liver is all in 1# or larger packages, so I defrosted 1 pound, and another pound of pork. Made the meatballs, and then made German Liver Dumplings with the pork and most of the rest of the liver (DH was out, so I had the little bit that was left for my dinner). Liver dumplings are simmered in broth, and either eaten as part of the soup, or served with Sauerkraut. Also cut in half, and fried in butter, and served with sauteed onions. Looking forward to dinner tonight.

Verbena Mon, Jan-01-18 13:02

Cotonpal, if you can get them lambs' kidneys are very mild, with very little of that distinctive kidney flavor. I have a couple of recipes where I think, if one didn't know it was kidney one wouldn't guess.
I'm not sure about brains since Mad Cow Disease showed up, but I wouldn't mind trying sweetbreads. Oddly (to my mind) oxtail also seems to find it's way onto the "offal" list. I'Ve never understood why.

Bonnie OFS Mon, Jan-01-18 21:01

I've been talking myself into trying more organ meat, besides liver, which I love. I had to butcher 3 spare roosters before Christmas, so instead of feeding the inards back to the chickens, I saved the livers & hearts for me. The hearts I sliced up & cooked in butter, then added my morning eggs. Delicious!

We raise rabbits, so I've tried rabbit kidneys but didn't care for them. A friend suggested slow cooking them with butter & onions, so next time we butcher I'll do that. I'm going to try to harvest the brains, too, but that is difficult. I'm still a bit squeamish. Even my mother had a hard time convincing herself to eat brains - & she had an adventurous appetite!

Verbena Mon, Jan-01-18 21:54

Bonnie, I need to come up to Washington so you can show me the ins and outs of butchering chickens. I have "put down" two of my hens who were in a bad way, but that was simply a matter of a cleaver. They were sick enough that I wasn't tempted to think of them as food. One of these days (or maybe not, at my age) I will grow up enough to think of my chickens as more than just egg producers

Verbena Mon, Jan-01-18 21:57

I made a soup this evening with the broth used to simmer the liver dumplings yesterday, as welll as some veg from the fridge - cauliflower, carrot, and kohlrabi. Several of the dumplings found their way in, plus, for DH, some noodles, and, for me, a large spoonful of homemade Sauerkraut. All very lovely.

Bonnie OFS Mon, Jan-01-18 22:11

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verbena
Bonnie, I need to come up to Washington so you can show me the ins and outs of butchering chickens. I have "put down" two of my hens who were in a bad way, but that was simply a matter of a cleaver. They were sick enough that I wasn't tempted to think of them as food. One of these days (or maybe not, at my age) I will grow up enough to think of my chickens as more than just egg producers


I dislike butchering chickens, so I have a bunch of elderly hens. It's interesting to watch them "coaching" the egg layers - kind of like midwives. :)

But excess roosters need to be gotten rid of & I hate to waste food, so the 3 spares got butchered when it was about 18 degrees (F). But at least it wasn't snowing.

You might want to ask around - you never know who has the skills. My butchering is efficient, but not pretty. But I was talking with a friend the other day & found out her fil had been a butcher & taught his son the trade - tho he didn't take it up. But he does all the butchering on their small farm. So guess who I'm going to talk into give me a class on how to properly separate the pieces? He doesn't know it yet, but he will. :p

ImOnMyWay Sat, Mar-17-18 15:43

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verbena
You're absolutely right Bevangel, a new name is needed! The Germans say "Innereien" (innards), which I'm not sure is better. "Variety meats" used to be the term in the US, but I don't think such a euphemism is any better.
Yesterday I made meatballs, for which I defrosted a pound of ground beef. I like to mix about a quarter pound of liver into the grind, but somehow my frozen liver is all in 1# or larger packages, so I defrosted 1 pound, and another pound of pork. Made the meatballs, and then made German Liver Dumplings with the pork and most of the rest of the liver (DH was out, so I had the little bit that was left for my dinner). Liver dumplings are simmered in broth, and either eaten as part of the soup, or served with Sauerkraut. Also cut in half, and fried in butter, and served with sauteed onions. Looking forward to dinner tonight.


Do you use breadcrumbs when making your liver dumplings? Most of the recipes I've looked at call for them. I wonder if dumplings simmered in soup would hold together without them.

barb712 Sat, Mar-17-18 17:53

I like chicken livers and gizzards. The gizzards come in the package with hearts mixed in, and I try my best to pick them out; I think it's just mental that I don't like them. I usually just rinse and strain the livers and stir fry them in a wok, with onions if I feel ambitious. The gizzards I cook in the Instant Pot with tomato-based sauce or broth for 45 minutes or till they're no longer rubbery.

The livers also come out fine in the oven if you're cooking a chicken. Just keep them there in the pan with the bird and take them out when they're done.

Bonnie OFS Sat, Mar-17-18 18:34

Chicken livers I cook the same as I do rabbit livers - in butter. Hearts I slice & cook the same way, but with eggs (mental thing here, too). Gizzards I never see - they don't come with store bought chickens & when I butcher, it gets tossed with the guts.

My bunnies are pregnant (I hope) & I'll let you all know if I get brave enough to do brains when butchering time comes. If I can't bring myself to eat them, it will be more protein for the chickens. ;)

Even my mother - who had nerves of steel - couldn't bring herself to eat brains. She would cook them up for the carnivorous animals, tho.

And I'll also be able to see what damage a .22 does & if it goes all the way thru. I'm curious about things like that.

Verbena Sat, Mar-17-18 20:38

Miss Pi - I couldn't think how it would work, and was sad because I am quite fond of liver dumplings as I have eaten them in Germany. But then I ran across a recipe on a German site, and it works quite well. I make the dumplings smaller than they do in Bavaria, so they cook quicker, and have less chance of falling apart. If interested I will make a translation effort, and post the recipe.
Barb - My mother always treated the chicken livers as the "treat" for the cook, and I follow her example. That was back in the day when the "interesting bits" came in a bag in the cavity. Do they still do that? Not in organic birds, anyway. My mother, and I, would fry a bit of onion and garlic in butter, then add the liver, pepper, & a bit of salt, and fry till browned outside but still a bit pink inside. From one or two birds it's just a nice snack for the cook.
Bonnie - I've never tried brains. By the time I felt I was willing the Mad Cow thing had reached the news. I understand though, from perusing old & foreign cookbooks, that they are often cooked with scrambled eggs, having apparently a similar texture. I would think with rabbits one wouldn't need to worry over much about Mad Cow :-)

Verbena Sat, Mar-17-18 20:50

I am now considering blood sausage, of which I am quite fond. When we last returned from a trip to Europe I was motivated enough to look up recipes. And then I asked my nice butcher, who assured me that I could certainly buy pig's blood -- in 50# lots! I quickly gave up that idea :-). But I was recently reminded that Asian markets sometimes sell it, so I plan to look the next time I am in our "big city", an hour away from home. The only kind I can find ready made are good, but too salty for my taste. We had an excellent type in Spain for which I found a recipe, and would really like to give it a shot. Not sure how to do it without rice or oatmeal, but feel it might be worth a try.

PilotGal Sun, Mar-18-18 00:04

cow's tongue is delicious. many a spanish recipe for tongue.
calf's liver.. when cooked in butter and garlic with a squeeze of lemon.. can make the liver taste mild.. very good.
chicken gizzards/heart packages are good for the crockpot. make a savory gravy and cook until tender.
oxtail is expensive.. it tastes like brisket meat, because it's cooked up against the bone, which makes it very tender.
another one for the crockpot and a savory gravy..
beef cheeks. two ways to cook this. in a crockpot. BUT, timing is everything. after 4 hrs, it can have the texture of brisket. longer and you can shred it and make beef tacos or enchiladas..
pig's head.. roasted. this was a delicacy in the early centuries.. can be a delicacy now, but labor intensive. full of collagen. make head cheese out of the meat from the head.
pig's feet.. so good and full of collagen. many spanish recipes have "trotters" cooked with beans.. ham and bean soup is one.. or cook down and add greens.

so many good parts of the animal.. so many good recipes. usually the cheaper cuts of meat - or used to be.

and these cuts of meat usually have more fat, which America shy's away from, now.

Mama Sebo Sun, Mar-18-18 00:36

We have always had a farm, goats, sheep, chickens, turkeys, ducks. geese...so we always ate all the animal that we didn't sell. Also, my mother was Australian, and she had much broader acceptance of exotic body parts (that's our name for them), our favorite breakfast was scrambled brains, generally sheep -- yes, for our own reassurance we only eat brain when we an be absolutely sure where they come from and what they are being fed. Austria (DH is Austrian) has a traditional kind of stew they make during hunting season -- wonderful for cold days -- its heart, lungs -- can be made with any ruminant's heart and lungs. We always saved the hearts and lungs from our lambs and kids for the winter. Restaurants in the countryside tend to have venison beuschel on the menu in fall and winter. Kids (the human ones) never really got into it, but I loved. Its called beuschel. Happy exotic body part eating!!

Bonnie OFS Sun, Mar-18-18 07:16

Quote:
Originally Posted by Verbena
I am now considering blood sausage... We had an excellent type in Spain for which I found a recipe, and would really like to give it a shot. Not sure how to do it without rice or oatmeal, but feel it might be worth a try.


I have a low carb recipe for polish kiszka that calls for coconut flour. Haven't tried it yet. I was wondering if it really needs to put put in casings, or if it could be put in a loaf pan, then sliced & fried.

Verbena Sun, Mar-18-18 10:51

Bonnie, I have a vague recollection from my researching recipes some time ago that one did suggest doing just that, using a pan instead of casings. I often make liver pate in canning jars - cook in a water bath in the oven without the lid, and then put on the lid before freezing the extra (my recipe makes 4 or 5 of the jars that I use). I should think that blood sausage would work just as well.
I have found a number of European recipes (well, Swedish from dietdoctor, and German from various sites) that use psyllium husk powder as a binder/thickener. It has no taste of it's own, and works very well. I use it in meatballs and the like, as well as certain baked goods. Don't have the recipe right at hand, but I believe I put some in the liver pate as well.

ETA: Just looked up Polish kiszka; looks good :agree:

Verbena Sun, Mar-18-18 10:56

"pig's feet.. so good and full of collagen. many spanish recipes have "trotters" cooked with beans.."

Pilotgal - I always put smoked ham hocks in my pea soup, but have never tried pigs' feet. DH loves his pea soup, so I might need to give that a try. He can have the peas, and I can have the trotters

Meme#1 Sun, Mar-18-18 11:08

All of the old time beer joints use to have jars of pickled pigs feet and also pickled eggs.. I remember seeing them in old stores that were 1/2 bar and 1/2 groceries.
here are some:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...s+feet&_sacat=0

Mama Sebo Sun, Mar-18-18 11:40

Love tongue (ccoked beef or other ruminant tongue -- boy that looked weird when I wrote it) and trotters -- but they might not take the palce of ham hocks -- of course they'd needto not be pickled -- other wise I guess they would work!! Lots of collagen truly.

ImOnMyWay Sun, Mar-18-18 17:15

I love beef tongue; it's my #1 choice if a deli has it (not many around here do); with chopped chicken liver a close second. However, lots of hispanic joints around here have tongue as a a choice of meat for whatever you're ordering (tacos, burritos, tostadas...). My favorite preparation is when they chop it up and reheat it in salsa verde.

Susan70 Sun, Apr-15-18 09:13

I buy a 100% grass-fed braunschweiger. It's 60% beef and 40% beef liver. Tastes great, especially with mayo on it. Plus, I don't have to cook anything.

SilverEm Sun, Apr-15-18 10:08

Susan, that braunschweiger sounds really nice. :)

I quite like chicken livers, and also veal brains. Veal brains are nice alone, or mixed with scrambled eggs.

I sometimes order mixed, ground organ meats, to be mixed with the ground, muscle meat. Then I just make small hamburgers with the mixture, or cook it with vegs.

I also use marrow bones.

Verbena Tue, Apr-02-19 21:41

Back in the day I used to dredge my strips of liver in seasoned flour. Haven't done that for years, just sprinkled the seasoning on the liver before sautéing. This evening I mixed a couple of Tbls of psyllium husk, and a couple of Tbls of hazelnut flour (what I had; (almond flour would also work, or coconut, I imagine), and then a good sprinkle of some spice mix (in this case, with paprika, cayenne & herbs) + some salt & pepper. Sautéed in lard, with some fried onions, and some sautéed greens. Tasted lovely, and had a somewhat crunchy exterior due to the psyllium & hazelnut

Verbena Mon, Aug-05-19 23:03

A site I have archived, with some interesting recipes and information:
https://thecuriouscoconut.com/blog/...al-and-odd-bits

Verbena Thu, Jul-23-20 21:34

I discovered today that a local supermarket - a local chain, with 3 links in southwestern Oregon - has a dedicated freezer with various “interesting bits”. Beef tongue, liver, pig feet, chicken feet, and others I don’t remember. Many had the Spanish names on the label as well, which indicates the market they are aiming for. There was also pork belly, of which I grabbed a package, and honeycomb tripe. This made me think of my very favorite Campbell’s soup from when I was much younger: Philadelphia Pepperpot Soup. They don’t make it anymore, but I pretty much gave up on canned soups when they stopped making it (this was a good thing). I looked up a recipe when I got home, as well as some others (the package was rather large, more than needed for soup), and think I will give it a try one of these days. I also found an interesting Filipino recipe for tripe and oxtail, which sounds like a good way to use the rest of the tripe. We’ll see.

Ms Arielle Fri, Jul-24-20 10:20

HOW did I miss this thread ?!?lol

Great stuff.

Verbena Fri, Jul-24-20 12:17

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms Arielle
HOW did I miss this thread ?!?lol

Great stuff.


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