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Tigra1965 Sat, Nov-30-02 03:37

Gone Out of Control - how do I get back again ????
 
Dear All

I need some major advice here please.

On thursday night I went out of control about 11ish at night - my RM is at lunch time. Then friday I was ok, but when it came to my RM I could barely eat, but when I came home at night time I went out of control again in a very big way.

I've woken up in the middle of the night to find myself eating biscuits ( seriously my partner said I'd been sleep walking for 2 nights - but this time I'd woken up whilst eating ).

Then this morning (saturday) the first thing I've eaten is 3 slices of toast with butter and jam and half a packet of chocolate chip cookies.

:q: where do I go from here? I know I have to get myself back on track - but do I only have two CM's today now or have I to have an RM this evening so that I dont do a repeat of the past two nights? I really am so confused right now and very upset that I have allowed this to happen. I just dont know whats happened to me. :(

But its finally come home to me this morning - how severe my carbohydrate addiction is - because I could not stop myself at all - I just kept reaching for anything and everything - even when I felt to sick to eat - I just carried on. :mad:

All advice would be gratefully recieved right now.

:q: Do you think I should begin entry plan again? Just like the atkins do if you fall off the wagon.

Thank you for being here :(

AlluraD Sat, Nov-30-02 07:22

Me too~
 
Hi~
I am pretty new to this but I would start the entry plan again......many of the lc programs tell you if you fall off the wagon just get back on at the start. I woke up wanting key lime pie for breakfast......wrote my sorrows about it in my journal this morning.
I know that because I have not been following the program these last several days that I am totally out of control as far as craving sweets goes. What I am going to do is start today as a new day and just eat my regular food plan..........one or two cm's as I need them and the rm for supper. I don't think you can really "do penance" for the less than perfect choices we make but just have to dust ourselves off and go from there.
I know I have to eliminate sugar and white flour from my RM's.....I know it!! I just don't want to and yes........the raging reminders of my addiction are rearing their ugly heads!!
I wish you a very good day today~

AlluraD Sat, Nov-30-02 07:24

Induction
 
P.S.
If you are doing Atkins I would go straight back to induction........at least for three or four days or so to get your cravings under control and get into ketosis so they pass. Just myMHO~ :wave:

Tigra1965 Sat, Nov-30-02 08:18

Dear AlluraD

Thank you for your reply and you are so right. I dont suppose I will go through the rest of my life perfect with this WOL. So if I have a set back now and again I should just pick myself up, dust myself off and start all over again - is'nt that a song lol. :D

Unfortunately for today I am way past retrieving myself - so I will start a fresh tomorrow morning and go back on the entry plan. Which is a shame because I've only just finished it. :rolleyes:

Never mind - thank you for the help it is appreciated.

bye for now :wave:

Zuleikaa Sat, Nov-30-02 08:30

When you get back on entry include a high fat snack if you need it. High fat and protein will help fight off cravings.

This is why it is important to always stay on the Way. CA is a condition that is never cured. It can only be controlled. The problem is that when we feel "normal" we think we can handle a day off. Some of us can, some of us can't. It looks like you are one that can't.

Good Luck! You can do it! :thup:

Tigra1965 Sat, Nov-30-02 10:41

Thanks Zuleika

Your right I am a severe CA and I can only get through this if I can learn to control it.

I can fully understand after the past 2 days exactly what I must do and from tomorrow morning I will be doing just that.

What do you recommend for the high fat and protein snack I must have for my cravings?

Thank you once again for your help zuleika :wave:

Talon Sat, Nov-30-02 10:50

I agree with Zuleika - a high fat protien snack is just the cure for those cravings - my snack/meal of choice to do this is tuna and lots of mayo.

Good luck.

luv67fire Sat, Nov-30-02 13:35

My fav. is cheese sticks.. Either string cheese or just plain cheddar stick. I eat one or two of those and feel great. In fact, a lot of my lunch CMs are two cheese sticks and about 3 tbs of turkey from a can mixed with mayo (kind of how you'd make the mix with tuna, but its turkey or chicken instead). Yumm!! I can go on that for 5-6 hours easily.

If you're wanting something crunchy, take the cheese and melt it in the microwave until it is really bubbly. Peel the cheese off the plate and pat it down with napkins to get off all the oil and then break peices off. It is REALLY good and is like a "cheese cracker".

Anyways, if you have fallen off track today, do your CMs but have a lot of protein and fat during dinner so you don't get up in the night. Any leftover turkey? Eat a bunch, that will get you pretty full, and drink a TON of water. Water seems to be the best hunger deterrent for me so far, so I"m wondering if you're drinking enough?

Well, good luck!!! Don't stress, remember, that it's your life and you are in control of your body. Drink TONS of water!!

tokenyanke Sat, Nov-30-02 16:36

Hey Julie!

I'm glad you are picking yourself and starting at it again! Don't ever give up. Get your focus back and forgive yourself for the past couple of days.

I had a really tough day today... It's rather funny, but it did kind of throw me a bit!

My hubby wanted to get me a Mickey Mouse tattoo for Christmas. Tattoo parlors are illegal in this state so people have to go to NC to get them. My hubby was off today, so he wanted to go check them out. We got there and decided to go ahead and get it done. I hadn't eaten in a while and it was lunch time but I thought I would be okay! I should know from past experience that before I have anything done that might even be mildly upsetting that I should eat first, but I'm thick skulled. I was fine for a while and then all the sudden I got hot and lightheaded and my hubby said the guy set his stuff down and said, "She's gonna pass out"... and I did!

I never did fall out of the chair, but they got me revived and gave me some soda to drink(the first "no no")and got me cooled off and feeling good enough to finish it. Thank goodness he was almost done! I felt embarrassed but then the guy said that it is very common for people who get it done the first time and not to feel badly.

When we left we stopped to get burgers to eat, so I had a burger and diet soda(no salad), but it was still within the 1 hour of having 1/2 a can of soda, so at least I did manage that much. I felt better after that and have been okay ever since, but I'm having to treat that as my RM and will have a CM for dinner tonight. I would much rather have had my RM tonight and had something I'd enjoy more, but I surprisingly haven't sweated over it any and am ready to get back on my "normal" schedule again.

So, I hope that gives you a bit of a chuckle and also makes you feel better about your situation. Just realize that obstacles will jump out every now and then, but they can be overcome.

;)

luv67fire Sat, Nov-30-02 17:49

Lol, that is a cute story Cindi, thanks for sharing! Did the tatoo come out looking good? I didn't know they were illegal anywhere! Hmm.. learn something new every day!

BTW, how ya doing now Julie? Hanging in there i hope!!

need2bthi2 Sat, Nov-30-02 17:53

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tigra1965
[B]Dear AlluraD

I dont suppose I will go through the rest of my life perfect with this WOL. So if I have a set back now and again I should just pick myself up, dust myself off and start all over again - is'nt that a song lol. :D

I totaly agree with what you are saying. Dont beat yourself up and tomorrow is another day. I fell off the wagon yesterday but today I am back. I plan to have a high fat cm and small rm with not bread or sweets instead I will only have carby vegies. Onwards and Upwards always!!!!! Never look back!!!!

JoaniePA Sun, Dec-01-02 10:30

Tigra, don't panic.. I really overindulged too and was pretty distraut until I realized that I'm averaging my weigh ins. So this morning, although I'm heavier than I've been in 4 days, I lost two pounds average for the week. Boy did that make ME feel better! I think you and I started CAD pretty close to the same time, and after a time with Atkins, so it will probably take some getting to get used to things for us. YOU CAN DO THIS!

Joanie

Tigra1965 Sun, Dec-01-02 15:57

Thanks Everyone - Your all Great !!!!!
 
Entry Plan day 1 again

Dear All

Well its nearly the end of another day and I've done it. I've had 2 CM's and 1 RM and its almost bedtime. So I've got through my first day on Entry Plan ok.

I appreciate your cheering me up the other day - I really was well stressed out at what I had done - I dare not even get on the scales to be honest. Think I will leave that for when I feel braver.

So this is todays menu :

brekkie - CM
2 fried eggs and bacon
herbal tea
herbal tea

lunch
none was out

herbal tea

Dinner - RM
chicken burger and fries
chicken
diet soda
half a bag of popcorn

Late CM
tuna and cream cheese
herbal tea

I thought I'd keep myself busy today - so that I stay out of trouble. So have done some christmas shopping and been to IKEA too - then came home and sorted my office out. So thats why I've had no relapses today - hey if I carry on like this my home should be spotless within a week lol.

Anyway thanks again everyone - what would I do with out you.

:wave:

tokenyanke Sun, Dec-01-02 17:59

Good going Julie! I know you can do it! I'm glad you had a good day back on course.

Cassie: Yes, the tattoo turned out really good. It's Mickey Mouse... my "hero"... lol... I can't remember the states that can't have tattoo parlors, but there are just a few that don't allow it. They are trying to get it legal in SC... especially with Myrtle Beach here, so I imagine it's just a matter of time before it happens.

BASpider Sun, Dec-01-02 20:37

Julie
 
I've been gone for awhile and come back to people talking about the "entry level" for CAD/CALP. Have the Hellers written a book detailing this?

Julie, where are your vegetables?

According to CALP or CAD the way I've known it, you eat half CM veggies and protein for the craving reducing meals and for the RM you begin with 2 cups of salad, the rest of the meal is to consist of cm veggies, carb, meat in 1/3 portions. Your herb tea might be causing cravings since the Hellers say it contains grains.

Also, another rule is to not go more than 15 minutes between bites. The meal can last no longer than one hour, but you can't stop eating for more than 15 minutes.

If the rules have improved, I'd love to know, cause this is a challenge.

Tigra1965 Mon, Dec-02-02 03:36

Dear All

thanks for your postings - they have been very encouraging and I got back on track yesterday.

BAspider - it does say in my CAD book about the entry plan and you must stick to this for 2 weeks. Also it does mention about the salad etc... but I was out yesterday - so this was not an option for me at the time. I am trying to address this from today, by having a salad at lunch and also some before my rm tonight.

Tokenyanke - yes I can do it and thankyou for your support. Its really hard when you've hit the low point of the day and you begin to think all sorts of reasons why this cannot work for you - but it can and I know that.

Right I'd best go prepare for my class.

bye for now :wave:

Zuleikaa Mon, Dec-02-02 06:37

BASpider
CAD is the book with the entry plan and, in fact, the different meal plans ranging from 1 CM to 2CMs and a snack with the daily RM. On either plan you should not eat if you are not hungry!

As to the 1/2 protein and 1/2 CM veggies, that is a CALP recommendation. Many CAs alter the composition with continued weight loss.

Also the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 with beginning salad is a CALP requirement. Only one of CADs plans require you start with salad. While both books recommend balanced RMs many CAs lose well with unbalanced RMs.

CAD/CALP, I believe, is a program that has to be tailored to the individual's body chemistry. Some CAs lose weight well on 1 CM and 1 RM a day, some only have the 1 RM, and some need 2 CMs with the RM. Some CAs can use shakes and limited AS and some CAs cannot. Some CAs still have to deal with allergies to certain foods and MSG that can cause cravings while on CAD/CALP and must eliminate them from their food list. That's why we always suggest that you listen to your body and find your own balance. When it's right for you, you will lose weight, have no hunger or cravings and feel great!

JoaniePA Mon, Dec-02-02 07:26

I think some of the confusion for me over some of these "rules" is that there are two distinct sets. CAD and CALP are different in some pretty significant ways for me. For example, on CAD summer squashes are allowed for your CM vegies, and on CALP they are not. On CAD a piece of low carb bread is permitted with CM as long as you have a very LC meal. The 2 cups of salad on CAD are not for all of the CAD plans -- there are four different plans, depending on your weight loss. I got very, very confused by all the conflicting comments on this board and another I was on until I realized this.

Anyhow, when I re-read my CAD book and kept it close at hand while reading these posts it really helped me sort things out.

best,
Joanie

plum Mon, Dec-02-02 08:06

hi Julie...

I am going to relate my experience just in case it has a bearing on your "binges"

I recognised straight away that broccoli, snow pea were causing me problems... but this last week I have discovered that eggs and cream are trigger foods for me. Weird, isnt it.... but egg makes me starving and cream makes me "unsettled" ( yes I know, but I cant explain it any other way !!)

Im pretty sure these will be ok for me at RM but time will tell. Ive stopped my early morning coffee and cream these last 2 days and feel even better :)

I know you keep a detailed food diary so if trigger foods are a problem they should soon show up ?? So you are half way there already. I dont think these binges are a disaster because they are teaching you where your problems lie.

the only thing otherwise is to suggest you look at the addiction/allergy thread. In case you get the bloating side of things ? hope not :) good luck.

skyspinner Tue, Dec-03-02 08:52

Re: Julie
 
Quote:
Originally posted by BASpider
I've been gone for awhile and come back to people talking about the "entry level" for CAD/CALP. Have the Hellers written a book detailing this?

snip

Also, another rule is to not go more than 15 minutes between bites. The meal can last no longer than one hour, but you can't stop eating for more than 15 minutes.

snip


I found the Entry Plan in CAD, not in CALP. Check there for full details.....

And I have not heard of the 15-minute rule of eating....where did you find that? I sure wouldn't want to miss a rule!!! :)

BASpider Tue, Dec-03-02 09:41

I got out my CALP book and is has the "Basic Plan" which is followed for 2 weeks. I guess the terminology confused me. You add options after that, the Basic Plan is quite easy, rather than the more difficult induction of Atkins.

The 15 minutes I heard initially on Oprah from Rachel Heller. It was common knowledge on the CADIS/Yahoo thread. It prevents multiple insulin releases. Rachel Heller said in order for them to go to a movie and eat popcorn, they'd eat and munch on CM foods till they got into the movie and got their popcorn (their carb of choice for that particular RM.)

Tigra1965 Tue, Dec-03-02 12:23

Had a big decison to make
 
Hi All

You've all been wonderfully supportive and I really appreciate it all. But I've ad a big decision to make and i hope you will bear with me.

My private life is so stressed at the mo (a separation is looming) - and I really cannot concentrate on CADing all the time. I manage for a couple of days then go off again - so I have decided to do CAD on the days that I can and what ever on the days I cant - I hope this makes sense to you.

I dont want to totally rule out CAD because i want to get back to it full time - but right now this is the only commitment I can give.

:q: Do you think this will be ok until I'm feeling stronger? or should I stop all together?

I worry that if I stop then I will not get back into it - but if I manage to do it for 3/4's of the week then it will be easier to slip back into at the right time.

Hope I'm making some sense

bye for now :wave:

AlluraD Tue, Dec-03-02 12:28

Tigra~
Just wanted to tell you that I am thinking of you and wish that things work out for you in the best possible way. Sometimes there are other things that take priority and you need your energy to focus on them.
For me I think keeping some sense of "control" would make me feel better about myself and my confidence etc..
Whatever you decide there are lots of friends who are here for you~

nawchem Tue, Dec-03-02 14:27

Hey tigra.

Ever hear the saying food will not solve this problem?

I don't think you should take a break. I don't mean to be tough, just honest. Do your emotional eating at RM. Don't expect that you'll be perfect or have some huge sudden weight loss. Dont put any pressure on yourself and have no expectations at all, just follow your plan. Eating out of control has never really made me feel better just fat.

Make it simple and just think 1 day at a time. 2 lowcarb meals and RM, it doesn't take that much time or energy away from anything.

Stressful times are when you really need to make an extra effort to take care of yourself .

Nancy

nawchem Tue, Dec-03-02 14:38

Tigra
Its me again. I was just thinking about all the stress you're under. I've been dealing with stress myself. My dr. has me taking a sleep aid, walking 1 hr everyday and yoga 1 hr everyday, and in the evening I take a bubble bath or jacuzzi. I was reading the stress hormone cortisol causes food cravings, fat storage, sleep problems, you start breaking down muscle, and you get wrinkles ( my hair is falling out big time and I slept only 3 hours a night for 3 months). Also I'm supposed to avoid caffeine, chocolate (I know, I know).

So that probably is part of the reason the program is hard for you right now. Anything you can do to physically reduce the feelings of stress you have will help you stick with the foodplan too.

Try to think of somethings that are really relaxing that will help take your mind off things for a while.

I hope everything works out just the way you want it.
Nancy

BASpider Tue, Dec-03-02 16:18

Tigra,
I went off plan while I was in the process of moving and it didn't kill me. BUT it's been hard to get back on plan.

When I was separated, I didn't eat much. I just cried a lot. It's been 9 years and I'm still pissed sometimes. I concentrated on taking care of myself. What that entails for me will be different for you, but you are your priority.

In your shoes, I think if I could stick to the plan 3/4 of the time, that's what I'd do and count my lucky stars it was possible. It takes time for this WOL to be second nature. To do it in the middle of one of the greatest stresses of your life and to do it perfectly would be a bit much to ask of anyone.

PS Make sure you get your cooking utensils! I didn't get a lot of mine (long story.)

skyspinner Tue, Dec-03-02 17:12

Hi, Tigra.....IMHO, staying on plan as best you can would be of enormous benefit when everything else is making you feel bad, because being off plan usually makes CAs feel even worse.

I was off plan this past holiday weekend, and wow, did I feel awful! It was wonderful to get back to it yesterday and I feel so much better today.

Besides, your personal problems are not going to be resolved in a week or two, so why let them sabotage your excellent progress so far? We are fond of saying that it's a lifetime thing, and lifetimes come complete w/ problems! :)

Just do your best. Stay on it when you can. Be kind to yourself when you can't. Come out the other end of this time of trouble in better shape than when you went in.

Best of luck w/ this.....and yes, do get your stuff back! :lol:

Take care....

luv67fire Tue, Dec-03-02 17:52

Sometimes when stress is doing me in, CAD is the only thing I feel in control of. I can not control all of the things that happen around me or to me, but I can control what I am doing. It may be 100% different for you, but for me, if it feels like my life is falling down around me, I need something to hold on to, even if it is something like a diet or way of eating.

However, you know what is best for you, and I can only wish you the best....

Hang in there, hon!

RedLisaP Tue, Dec-03-02 19:16

micro-cheese
 
Cassie--

About that microwave cheese snack - that sounds kinda yummy - does it matter what kind of cheese you use?

luv67fire Tue, Dec-03-02 20:18

Yes it is yummy!! I have only used cheddar, but hear it does ok with other cheeses. The only cheese I know it is not supposed to work on it swiss... maybe because of all the holes?? Lol!!

Try it out, it is SOO quick and easy, and is a great crunchy snack. Popcorn is my downfall, and I've actually brought a small bag with these in it, and it served as an awsome movie snack!

Have fun!


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