Just an observation....
 

I see so many people getting frustrated with the scale these days... and I wonder if all low carbers should abandon scale weight as the end all and be all measure of success and rely strictly on achieving a healthy body composition (BF%). Another bonus of body composition is that it takes into account your age - generally speaking, we can't hope to be as "unfat" at 50 as we could at 15. Body composition recognizes that - scale weight and insurance industry standards do not. I wonder how many people on this Forum have totally unrealistic weight goals? Unrealistic goals that are depressing them and defeating them and diminishing their quality of life?

Personally, I was terribly surprised that a healthy body composition (of about 22% -25% BF) puts me at about 155 lbs. of scale weight. The insurance industry guidelines tell me my medium frame has to carry around no more than 137 lbs.

Folks, that would require me having nearly an impossible and/or unhealthy standard of BF% - probably below 12% - or, worse yet, force me to go on a diet that relies on muscle wasting/depletion to yield results. Which slows down my metabolism. Which means I am always going to be fighting and struggling to maintain that artificially low, arbitrary and ultimately unhealthy weight. Why? Because even though I would be "right on" as far as the scale goes, overall, I would be closer to being "overfat." And that fat only burns about 3 calories whereas the lean muscle mass I gave up to achieve scale nirvana was burning 50.

And I don't want to do that. You shouldn't either.

From all my reading, studying and poking around on this Forum, I have realized that just like we have to abandon the low fat dieting principles, eschew the food pyramid guidelines, realize that calories work differently for LC-ers, learn that it is okay to drown veggies with butter and cream sauces, WE HAVE TO LEARN THE SCALE DOES NOT WORK FOR THIS WOE EITHER.

Your buddy who lost 100lbs. on a low fat diet might weigh less than you, but I wager that in the grand scheme of things, even at your current weight, your body is healthier and more efficient. Muscle weighs more than fat, is more metabolically advantageous and it does all of this for you while occupying a considerably smaller space. (Does anyone hear the tape measure calling to them yet?)

I know I don't wear my scale weight tattooed to my forehead, but I damn sure walk around in my body. That is what people see... not the stupid number my scale spits out every morning. And you know what? No one can see your scale weight either . But they can darn sure see your rapidly/slowly/steadily improving body composition. When you admire someone's figure do you do it because you know for sure that they weigh what the insurance industry says they should or because their figure is visually pleasing/healthy/proportionate?

That's why some days you wake up just feeling "thinner" - because you are! Then you jump on the scale and defeat the rush of joy that comes from those little victories. Learn to rely on your feelings of improvement rather than the scale (which by the way only measures the effect of gravity on your body, not how "fat" you are). Learn to take your measurements. Stand up tall - your grandmother was right - good posture does make you look about 10lbs thinner.


We've smashed the pyramid, now let's smash the scales!

Are you with me?

I'm with you. There is a lot of scale worship around here. I'm so sorry to see people who are doing just fine on this WOE and get depressed just because the scale shows the wrong number.

I can tell you one more thing: when I was weighting around 150 lbs (years ago!) I did not have a scale, I did not think all the time:" WOW, look at me, I weight 150!!! Am I not adorable?"
I just felt good and I want this feeling back. It will take time.
God, am I repeating myself..... :o

Great thread!

Alina

Well said!!!! :agree:

I don't own a scale myself, never wanted to be addicted to using it, and didn't want to know what I weighed most of the time, I do weigh myself here at work, but the scales are big (we make them here) and are in the lunch room, so I cannot weigh all the time anyhow, cause god knows I don't want someone to see :eek: But I do really agree that the numbers are not what is most important...I've had people say their weight, and I've said mine, and you ever get that "you don't look like you weigh that much"

You could take 2 people the exact same height, build, and weight, and they can look totally different. If one has a lot of muscle and the other has fat...there's the difference.
:)

Nicely said, Perk
 

This might be a good time to resurrect this thread...... no?

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...&threadid=35437

N

lperk002: You are right. I'm with you. After all, we have a daily check of how clothes are fitting. That should be enough. Thanks for your articulate, well thought out post.

Cindy

Totally agree that we all tend to pay too much attention to what the scales say, when what we should be concentrating on is body fat composition and our measurements. Also, equally important is how we actually 'feel'.

Little Anne highlighted a great site Set a Realistic Body Weight, which only proved to me yet again that I should go with how my clothes fit and their size, rather than a figure on the scales.

If you are interested, there's a 'throw away the scales' challenge:
http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthre...&threadid=92676

It's actually very liberating!

Great post, Lisa. My own original goal weight (125) was definitely not attainable without losing muscle mass, so it was out the window once I did more calculations. In fact, I'm not even sure I care about my current goal weight (135). I just care about being fit and healthy and eating food that my body likes, wants, and needs.

I actually swore off the scale for the month of March, but it didn't stick cause I had to document some experiments. :D Anyway, I give it little weight (pardon the pun :lol: ) because I'm much more concerned about how I look and feel.

I think it's sad how many unattainable weights are posted as goals. We should also make this thread a recommended reference: Using BF% as goal

Again, great post.

Hi lisa, :wave:


Great thread. Terridoodle started a thread about 2 wks ago about not weighing for 1 month. I took the challenge and it's now been 13 days. I was tempted to weigh tomorrow which would be my normal weigh day but this thread has given me strength. I will not weigh again for another 2 wks and 1 day. I feel great. I know I haven't cheated and everyone tells me i look like i've lost more weight. Oh I have lost inches so who needs a scale. Thanks for the incouragement this thread has given me.



Jon :rose:

p.s. My goal weight of 230 is catuallly a bit high for my heigth of 5' 11" :roll:

insurance company guidelines
 

is it possible that the guidelines were setup when people did weigh less due to less food, less nutrient rich foods and worked physically/agrarian society?

my parents (depression era kids) said they never had enough food to eat and most of their friends did not either and they were more underweight. they had no access to vitamins or minerals or nutrients.

see - i can rationalize anything -HAH! we are not supposed to conform to insurance co charts that were setup many years ago.

ally

Hi Lisa-
Just wanted you to know I AM reading...
~Michelle

Wanted to let you know I agree!! There is scale worship at every LC board I visit and it is really heart wrenching to see these people do it to themselves and not take control over it. I refuse to own a scale, only weigh myself once or twice a month and love seeing the larger losses.

It also frees me from thinking that everything I eat may have stalled me

I know I am losing, and when I am at a weight I am comfy at, I will stop. :daze:

AMEN! I've told this story before, but it's worth repeating: when I started some serious weight training last summer, I started out at 135 lbs. I progressed nicely, losing inches just about everywhere. Guess what? I didn't lose a pound. Then, I slacked off in fall for a several months. The inches crept back and I was puffy everywhere - all of my clothes were tighter again. But guess what? I didn't gain a pound. I've stayed between 134-137 all that time. <b>The scale doesn't tell you what's going on internally.</b> :thdown:

Hey all...

I'm reading too...making a lot of sense here!

:wave:

I am a daily "weigh - er". Kind of keeps me aware that I am watching what I eat. Plus,it has been such a part of my morning routine for soooooo long.

Each morning I- get up, use the bathroom, discard my nightgown, and weigh "buck naked" (as if my nighty weighs that much :lol:

I do know, that I am wearing clothes in sizes I have not seen in years.

Jeans are my best gauge - but I don't think I can give up my scale. )Lucky me - it is a Dr's scale I inherited from my mom. (love those 1/4 pounds :D )

Thanks for a wonderful post, Lisa!! I can't wait for the day when people stop using faulty guidelines for this stuff, like the scale and the !~#%~ BMI nonsense.

The Insurance company guidelines are based on a statistical model, and it's only as "good" as what they based it on. Most things like that are NOT statistically sound (i.e. they're often based on a small population of upper-class, college-aged white men rather than a diverse, valid sample) or are just plain made up (like the BMI stuff). And yes, AllysonneV, they are not necessarily updated as populations change, and anyone who has ever been in an old house (say over 100 years) will notice that people were a LOT shorter then!

Furthermore, these things are never based on optimum health - they're based on mortality rates (which may or may not correlate with weight, but correlation does not equal causation), as they are intended to try and save the Insurance companies money! Bottom line is that these "guidelines" are better than nothing, but not by a whole lot!!!

I agree with you Lisa. What the scale and charts don't take into account is your body type. I read somewhere that no world class athletes fall within the recommended weight range. A ectomorphic body shape (skinny) will weigh an awful lot less than an endomorph (muscular).

Of course that doesn't mean I don't watch the scale and obsess regularly about the numbers. :D I still need to lose fat and the scale does give an 'indication' as to whether that's happening. I think it's important to get as much feedback as possible when trying to lose weight. It is sad to see the people on this board who have tried LCing for a few months without success, only to check fitday, etc., and find that they're making some mistake. They wouldn't have really investigated their eating if it weren't for frustration on the scale.

Amy

yeah I have to agree with a lot of that.

we all carry our weight in different places and I've noticed that people who are approximately the same weight as myself require larger sizes or vice versa, what I remember from weighing less and the sizes I took was that I always seemed to wear a smaller size than my weight might have indicated since my body distributes very evenly.

as far as I'm concerned the scale is just a tool, one of many and it doesn't tell enough of a story for it to be the sole source of information about how we're doing.

GREAT post Lisa. You know, I feel so much better reading this and thinking about things. I think a bit more exercise, and my own current weight will be ok for me. I have been doing this since August, and after an initial loss of 8 pounds, have only lost 1 since then. But hey, maybe its because I am actually ok! Wow, what a great thought!

to hell with the scales, just let me feel good in my jeans. :D

thanks for this post - it is so helpful!

kiwi

tossing this back to page one!

Okay, so you told me you started a thread, but you didn't tell me you started a THREAD! I'm sorry that I didn't pop over here sooner, but I couldn't find it. I noticed in your journal that you planned to bump this, so I did a quick search to see where you'd been lately and found it!

You're so right about the scale and, as much as it's been said before, I think it needs to be repeated over and over. The scale can't tell you how fat you are. (Until I invent my MRI scale which should make me millions of dollars).

I'm going to jump right back on the no-scale bandwagon. I've put it under my bed, away from the bathroom. I'm also going to take a suggestion of Nat's to drink a glass of water as soon as I wake up to remove the temptation to weigh.

Down with the scale!
Dig

I agree completely! See my signature

In case you didn't believe me....
 

The attached pictures of Mischa represent a ONE POUND loss between February 2003 and yesterday, April 4.

After looking at these , you should really reconsider your relationship with that dumb white box.

This should also show you the power and benefit of adding resistance training and exercise to your fat loss program. Mischa has been exercising aerobically for some time, if I recall correctly, on an elliptical trainer, but just started resistance training about 4 weeks ago (2 weeks of her own homemade program and now 2 weeks into her first BFL challenge).

Wowsers!

Will you consider being part of the revolution? Scroll through and join us! Let your eyes be your guide to weight loss satisfaction!

Of course we are more than a number on the scale. I weight myself every day but I don't panic about the results. They are only "for the record". No panic if my body suddenly decides to put on 2 pounds of water.
Don't blame the scale, it's all in your head.
Alina

WOW - those pictures of Mischa are amazing. It pretty much sums up this thread, doesn't it?

kiwi

Crikey!
 

I never check this board without learning something - today it was body brushing and how irrelevent lbs lost are to toning your body. I've never been a weigher myself, it tends to be painful, but this really reinforces that feeling.

For four months, i have weighed myself daily
 

I check my weight every day. I want to know how my body works. Yes my weight goes up and down but it does so in a pattern. I discovered this pattern by weighing every morning and some evenings. I know my weight can fluctuate anywhere between 1 and 3 lbs throughout the day. My lowest weight is first thing in the morning after using the bathroom. No matter how much my weight fluctuates I count the lowest weight. As my weight shimmies downward, I review how I am eating. I communicate with myself by checking my weight daily. Take note that I do not fret when my weight goes up. I know that there are many factors that causes this. What matters is that my weight is consistently going down. If I were to get on the scale tonight and weigh 142.5 lbs I know that my morning I will be 1/2 to 3 lbs less in the AM. I like that.

Black57

I try to weigh in only once a month. And often, I don't do that as I don't actually own a scale (if I did, I'd obsess and I'd rather not go there).

BF% is a good idea.

I also like the pants size idea, although pants sizes can fluctuate drastically, so you need to pick a brand and style and stick with it.

I like seeing my weight every day. I also measure everything once a week right before I do my Sunday workout. I just like seeing the numbers. I don't stress out over them though. I just like seeing that I'm still on the right track. The daily weighs are constant reminders and when it creeps up, I can think about what I ate the day before and make a mental note to cut it back down. It works for me anyways...

It's also a good reminder for me to keep away from those god-awful yet heavenly easter candies DH brought home!!