I went to Saladino's site and filled in my stats, and his projections for what I should eat was crazy! No way could ever eat that much protein and fat, nor could I eat a lot of veg and fruit. Fruit in particular is something I have always had to watch...even the "natural" sugars make me feel sick. I adore a good mixed fruit salad, but would always feel a bit sick after eating it. I think I must be very sugar/carb sensitive. Anyhow, I'm not sure males can totally predict what females should eat. And you're right...we're all very different. Actually, I'm very different in what I can eat compared to what I could eat 25. years ago. Up until I was nearly 50, I could pretty much eat what I wanted and not gain weight. But even a long time ago I knew I was sugar sensitive so despite having an incorrigible sweet tooth, I've always had to "watch out" in that regard.
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Carole, a short guide to Menopausal Weight Loss. https://optimisingnutrition.com/menopausal-weight-loss/
Optimising Nutrition has a large sub-set of women who found Marty Kendall's blog after he wrote, Menopausal Weight Gain based on Professors Raubenheimer and Simpson work. https://optimisingnutrition.com/menopausal-weight-loss/ This has been a wild week on X for HAVA! This Q &A video caused the craziness: https://forum.lowcarber.org/showpos...59&postcount=42 Everyone who has a horse in the race (it’s all about carbs, no fat, no seed oils, no fasting, etc) is upset. These threads are long, with posters misreading what was said, and not helpful at all to readers who want to fix their metabolic health. "Dr Naiman: I recently triggered the entire paleo/low carb/keto/carnivore community by expressing my opinion that magically replacing all of our seed oils with saturated fat might not improve outcomes"...followed by a seed oil rant that goes on numerous posts. "So here I am, equally blaming diet AND exercise. And refined carbs AS WELL AS refined fats. And treating isolated subsets--like fructose, PUFA, and saturated fat--in a similar fashion; the dose makes the poison." |
I didn't see value in the app for me. I'm familiar with the P:E diet and I've got a pretty good idea of which foods keep me from being hungry. But I must say that eating low carb, high protein, low fat is working better for me than low carb/high fat did. I feel better too!
Also, a recent liver scan tells me I don't have fatty liver and I think I can credit the new diet to that. One loses fatty liver pretty quickly when you cut down on energy. |
Glad you hear you are doing well Nancy! A slight energy deficit over the long term and improved metabolic health.
The low carb/ketoverse still gets hung up on the word calories. Replacing it with ENERGY when starting The P:E Diet works great. There is a bit more nuance in HAVA's SPC, it fixes a few minor problems with the hedonic factor… but easy to understand that bacon, 80% ground beef, cream cheese or ANY type of fat to satiety in a hypercaloric diet, has too many calories for weight loss with the PE Diet infographic. Dr. Ted Naiman responded to a comment that a body does not burn calories with: Quote:
Yet another Bro Bodybuilder podcast, Grow or Die, interviewing Dr Ted Naiman, about the HAVA app, Satiety and the PE Diet. Basic questions, there have been better interviews but it does explain the HAVA approach and even gets into a PUFA / Saturated fat explanation. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000653435945 |
Dr Eenfeldt is sharing free on the HAVA blog … more cool visual graphics.
"Are you enjoying our visual #satiety guides? Find all 17 on our website: https://www.hava.co/blog" |
Using the free HAVA blog, these visual Satiety Scores each have a table of contents with sub-sets, if you want the scores for example, ground beef, not all meats.
When I only had the P:E vector, to lose weight, I ate foods above 50. A women on FB wrote that if she needs to lose fat, she eats only food in the"blue zone". Good idea! Not for the long term, but it is similar to adding a few days of PSMF. Another explanation how to use these free visual guides: Quote:
The information needed to lose weight using Satiety is all here …Free. But if you Hate tracking with MFP, etc. and want to use the latest AI technology to track the nutrition in your foods, then join for a trial of "Snap and Track". Snap a photo of your meal and it does all the calculation for you…macros, amounts on plate, etc. :thup: |
It has helped me so much to see my animal protein (the only kind my body recognizes) as my bottom line.
The other two macros are what we must negotiate. The best place to start in terms of nutrition, too. Maybe UPF-4 content should be regarded as a negative number in these calculations, too. Like comparing snack foods to real foods, no matter what the label says it contains, in terms of macros. Simply as an example, I've been vlogging on TikTok about how we can't trust the amount of protein listed for the cat food on the label, because there's all kinds of vegetables in it, and cats in nature consume around 5%. When it comes to my cats, I avoid all labels with vegetables on the cover. Myself, I consider my vegetable protein intake to work best as "not counting." I couldn't get enough on fish, eggs, and dairy when I tried adding those to my vegetarian diet. Possibly, if that's all I ate, but where's my heme iron going to come from? |
Satiety Scores are simple to use for Weight Loss, what most people are seeking here. HAVA has the macros but only basic nutrients in their formula. Optimising nutrition to correct health issues, or to regain weight may require more data than even the 80+ nutrients tracked by Cronometer. I watch iodine and boron which are not included. Iron is, but not just heme iron. We have the calcium to oxalate ratios but is that enough? What we don’t know about micronutrients could fill books.
Even with the macros, Dr Naiman has said the calories in protein should not be included. Right off the top, the thermic effect of protein uses up about 25% of the 4 calories per gram. Much of the rest is for building muscle and bone…not used for energy. I like the idea of subtracting UPF calories…but all so complicated! :wave: |
There are no more Mondays
The first HAVA satiety success story with a 61 year-old teacher, her history is very relevant to just about everyone here who found low-carb, went through keto Paleo and is confused by what will really work .. for them..forever. No Monday do-overs. :lol: I enjoy listening to personal success stories, she has been on Hava for 2 1/2 months and lost 22 pounds, while eating healthy, real food and occasional treats like birthday cake with no guilt, my experience with using satiety apps is the same. As a teacher, she has an easy, clear, fun communication style. This 45 minute interview covers most of the advantages of satiety per calorie eating. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...i=1000657153686 |
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One of Sally K Norton's oxalate tips is to add some carbs because healing is tough on the liver. Hey, I had to try it. And it worked! It's also a personal thing, which shouldn't derail anyone who does well on animal foods. I am sensitive to EVERYTHING, I used to think. But now I think it's also because we are exposed to so many toxins our body doesn't know how to handle. Including our food. Talk about a stealth agent... |
Forgot to mention that her husband still eats more "keto" because he has an auto-immune condition. She eats a more moderate low carb diet based on the Satiety Scores of food. By the time we enter our 60s, we need to have figured out what works for each one of us...we don't have time for new fads or sticking with an old "diet" that no longer works for you. Her goal is being a healthy weight by the time she retires and so she can easily travel.
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I do better on keto, avoiding all high carb foods, including fruit. This is the only way I can effectively control my appetite and my weight. I experimented adding higher carb, mostly fruit, and I found myself more hungry than when I keep carbs at 20 net carbs or lower. The weight I gained doing that is now falling off. We each need to find what works best for us.
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Same. It's not complex, and I never became confused about what would really work once I adopted low carb almost 15 years ago. Initially I realized that being consistent with my eating approach with no deviations was the only way I was going to increase my healthspan. I never succumbed to "cheats" or made low-carb equivalents of those unhealthy foods and meals in which I used to indulge. While I experienced a positive evolution learning how to produce endogenous ketones to improve my metabolism, doing this consistently enabled me to achieve a healthy weight within 6 months of starting low carb. Still learning about myself, I made course corrections over time, notably when I increased my consumption of nutrient-dense proteins without impacting my ketone production. I learned how my metabolism responded to what I put in my mouth. It's not hard when you realize your quality of life and longevity depends on it. Probably the best thing going for me is that I took the responsibility to do it myself with some valued feedback from this forum. I'm not good with "expert" advice, medical or pharmaceutical belief systems, and the services from third parties falling all over themselves to help us get to health for a fee that are nowhere close to being able to learn and do this for yourself. |
Molly's story has been added to the HAVA blog as a short edited article, https://www.hava.co/news/molly-satiety-success-story
7 minute read if you don’t have time to listen to a podcast. Like Molly, I focus on Protein first, but also turn off food cravings or "food noise" by being aware of Satiety from the abundant micronutrients along a satiety scale. The HAVA scale can be reduced to simply foods in the green or blue zone, while I track the specific nutrients found deficient on my VLC plan. Hava is much simplier, snap one photo of a meal rather than tracking each component. Using new technology may help members who haven’t been able to maintain a healthy weight on low carb. Some members continue to mention Food Addiction, regain lost weight or have strong cravings, eg eat OMAD for five days and then eat LC junk food… Satiety is a solution to consider. Molly’s favorite part of her journey has been the newfound control over her cravings. |
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