Perhaps we should all invest in CCN plantations :lol:

Yesterday evening I became tired and sluggish, which was the end of day 3 taking it. However, I started my cycle so that could explain the fatigue and brain fog. Woke up this morning feeling the same way! We will see how it progresses....

Skeeweeaka - I have thought really hard about how to describe how i feel on this stuff and you nailed it. Well said!!


Chrissie05 - CO kills bad bacteria also known as candida that most people have in their gut. As it dies off it may cause tiredness, headache, fogginess etc. You can google candida die off symptons and find more. You dont need to stop but you might want to cut down a little. I did 1TBS a day for a week and then i went up to 2 and have been doing 2 for 3 mos and now i sometimes do three if i can work it in early enough so it doesnt keep me awake. Good luck with it and I continue to urge all to keep it up until you get past the die off symptons which could take weeks if not months.

Best of luck!!

Hang in there skeeweeaka. My die off lasted 2 months!! :cry:


But now I am feeling great and I have moved 2 pounds in as many days. :yay:

Chrissie05 you might wish to look at this sight about yeast die off
or this one

My die off was so sever that i felt lethargy like i've never known before. I ended up reducing my dose of CCNO from the recommended 3 tbsp per day 1 tsp working up to 2-3tsp per day. The smaller dose seemed less dramatic and then as i felt better i worked up. Good luck. Most importantly stick with it coz it does pass.

yogama,

It DOES keep you awake?? I thought I was going crazy... I had to take (legal) drugs b/c I was up all night!

thanks skinnyray, my die off is pretty severe, too. went to bed a 8 o'clock last night, the same before that. wish i could stick w/it, but had to stop taking the CO. had to cancel an important appointment last night. won't be able to last for two months feeling like this. today is day two of not taking it. wonder how long it will take to get it out of my system. take care!

Shreen - Now that i have gotten over the worst of the die off if i take a third tablespoon past 3 or 4pm it tends to make me restless and i have a hard time falling asleep. I think that if i were to take 3 tbs everyday i would get use to it and i dont think it would bother me anymore until i upped the dosage again. At least this is what i have noticed so far.


SkinnyRay - Looks like there are at least 2 of us converts. Congrats on the 2lb loss!!!

I've had more energy, but by 8:00 I'm ready to go to sleep... Also, I am now craving the stuff. Anyone else having this symptom...and I AM HUNGRIER THAN USUAL...

Chrissie, it's up to you but i would so urge you to keep trying. I totally feel your pain. try just 1teaspoon 1-3 times per day and build up from there. It is so worth it. Today i woke up before my alarm full of beans.

Thanks yogama :rose:

I have so much energy today i can't believe it's the same person who was posting here a week ago!!! :hyper:

Yes, at times i felt really hungry. Eat more and choose something with fat in it. (my fav snack is blue cheese) It will fill you up and keep you going for longer. I think it is just that your metabolism is working more efficientlly. It will get better. :)

Skinny Ray-- Let me preface this comment with--"I don't mean to invalidate anyone with this comment." But, you mean the 'yeast die off' thing is really legit!? There is so much 'hogwash' floating around out there-- I never now how serious to take things. I have always enjoyed incredible health and I am not a complainer but---talk about LETHARGY!! OMG--I have been DRAGGIN' for 6 weeks!! It started out with incredible sleepiness. I mean I was so tired it was all I could do to get up in the am. Just to go back to bed any time I got near it! An afternoon nap was a necessity and I was in bed for the night by 8:30! UNBELIEVABLE!! I have always been very active so this is unacceptable! I would love to 'exercise.' There is NO WAY!

I have been taking 2-3 TBS VCO daily for about a month now. I am still very tired and without energy. I have very few other symptoms but did test positive according to the "spit test."

So--where do I go from here? Will this eventually get better? What can I do to hasten improvement? I do not know how much longer I can take this!

Thank you so much in advance!!

Hi Sunrise

Yes it's true! There are heaps of sites on the web that go into detail. I relate to your plight coz my fatigue lasted almost 2 months. I'm not one to say I know it all and you should do this so I can only tell you what worked for me. I began to lower my dose to 1tsp 2-3 times per day and slowly took a little more each day. The biggest change which seemed to help was i got some 100% pure ogegano oil and began adding 1 but now 2 drops onto my CCNO. did this 2-3 times per day. I swish about in my mouth before i swallow it (read somewhere that it has some benefit)....... I don't take any oils after 4pm coz i makes me too energised. :hyper:

To cut a long story short i am doing amazing. I just posted a thread in skeeweeaka's journal and she too has a post about having the two together. Maybe there is something in that. Keep up your water... i was up to 2-3 litres a day and another change was i began to eat more fat as i was only eating oils and cheese. I added fats like the fat on meat and chicken skin and butter and cream in my cooking. I have not only lost weight but my energy is amazing. :hyper: :hyper:

I recomend you try the ease into it method and see how you go.

My thoughts are: you are almost at the top of the mountain. Don't turn back now. :rose:

Just to add, on a previous post i asked about yeast die off and got a few interesting links.

Try this link

:)

Skinny Ray--THANKS MUCHES!! I read the threads and links. Thanks for passing them along. As I said, I don't have any of the other symptoms, just the tiredness and lethargy but for me, that is about all I can handle!!

I have been faithful about the 2-3 Tbs VCO for about 6 weeks now. Also, I drink nearly a gallon of water most days, sometimes more. I think I will take your advice and add OoO to the mix. I neeeeed the Energy Bunny to jump into my life!! (LOL--DO you know how badly I want to be 'jumping' up and down like these little guys?! :hyper: Right now--it makes me tired just watching them!

Possibly, that will manage any further die-off. Hmmm, I did have dental surgery a few weeks ago and had two rounds of antibiotics as a result. Maybe that has contributed to the problem, too.

Something has got to give!!

I appreciate your help and encouragement! :wave:

S

Sunshine you are soo soooooo close. I was very tired to. just note as i was like you, you may wish to try lowering your dose abit. try a teaspoon instead of a tablespoon and see if you don't pick up. then increase your dose. worked for me.


i can't wait to see you doing a little hyper dance in the near future. :yay:

sending you big wads of light

Wow, this is an AMAZING thread, I have just the whole thing up to now. I can't wait to go and get some VCO myself!!!

LoL--You are so cute! ok--help me undestand--why reduce it now? And, then increase? huh?

Die Off Symptoms....
 

Interesting post about you being on antibiotics because they probably are the problem... I would add the OOO and some sugar free yogurt... When adding the OOO my energy increased because the coconut oil was causing die off symptoms. I have noticed that the OOO is helping with energy and am thinking about increasing it to better fight the yeast... The yogurt is a good probiotic that helps you to add good bacteria that the antitiotics has killed off... One thing that I have continued to see, however, is that I am hungrier. I would imagine it is because my metabolism is being come efficient... Also, I have noticed that even though I am eating more that I haven't regained the weight that I usually do when doing this... Perhaps there is something, as I have said before to the HIGH FAT approach...slimming us down as opposed to the HIGH PROTEIN approach!

I must say, I am excited about this VCO and OOO combination, I feel that this is somehow the right thing for my yeast which some how prevents or slows down the weight loss... I have read, however, that there are different strengths of OOO out there on the market, but I'm going to finish this bottle first, increasing the dose from .5 mg once a day to twice a day! Will keep everyone posted.

Ok, you sold me. I have read most of the threads about CO and THE entire thread here. I am off to the store when the kids wake up to buy some! Thank you so much for the wealth of info you all have provided!

Has anyone tried to do an internal cleanse combined with Coconut Oil? I've been reading a book on the benifites of coconut oil and the author strongly recomends a cleanse. There is way more than yeast that lives in our intestines!

Skeeweeaka - SkinnyRay,

Thanks for sharing about the oil of oregano!! I am going to get some because I still have occasional days where I am draggin. It sure sounds like ooo is helping you two.

I wont be able to get any until next week, but I'll let ya'll know what it does for me.

Not to be ignorant, but if you have yeast, why can't you take Diflucan or something to nip it in the bud in one day (Drug for yeast infections - vaginal or otherwise)? Then you can eat VCO however much you want...

Well Diflucan is a pharmaceutical...a drug...it costs lots of money...and it only works short term... I have used it and Nystatin, most of the people on here who have yeast overgrowth type symtoms have also tried them... Also, that only kills the bad bacteria, but we also need to add back good bacteria...probiotics, etc. Now, I have resorted to a more natural approach.... I've read a great deal about OOO helping, but that it takes several months... With the yeast overgrowth I have developed allergies to foods that I like, healthy carbs, cheese, and sugars...and I want to be able to at least consume healthier carbs without my eyes itching or breaking out in a rash!

Internal Cleanse with coconut oil... Thank sounds terrific, but how does it work? I am interested...

Because Diflucan is a drug and there are much more natural and healthier ways to help get things under control.

Sorry, I probably didn't make my self clear. I was reading a book about coconut and it's benifits and in it the author also suggested an internal cleanse. I've been taking Psyllium Husks and Bentonite Clay to flush the system.

The reason I mentioned it here was because it all seemed to tie into the yeast conversation. It's suppose to be a wonderful treatment for getting everything back on the right track.

Shreen, I was wondering the same thing--thanks for asking the question.

I do understand the "natural" aspect. However, it seems like it would be good to ZAP IT Rather than the long drawn out process that seems so vulnerable and fragile. then, you could move on, with caution, of course.

The treatment options seem so "iffy." If this is the problem it seems to be for so many (including me, I guess) it would be great to "be done with it!"

I am just so tired of being tired! If my prob is yeast die off--I would like to be rid of it now and come back to the land of the living!

Toodles, S

Hey Sun,

I agree with you, I would love to be rid of it and I have tried cleansing several times but it always comes back! ALWAYS!!! It is very frustrating, the longest that I have gone has been probably 3 months without noticing too many symptoms in the summer, I was eating fruit in moderation and everything...

I think that it has something more to do with a hormonal imbalance that feeds on the yeast.... Adding good bacteria daily seemed to help this summer when I also added a yogurt smoothie every day....

So for me I have perimenopause which has worsened since then so there is more estrogen in my body than there was then... Also I was using my progesterone cream more consistently then which was balancing my hormones...so today I have upped my progesterone cream from two times a day to three times a day...thinking that my body might need more now than it did then! I will keep everyone posted...

So, does this mean it never actually does away? We just "manage" it? POOH!!!

Skeeweaka--Do you think the cream is really a benefit? I used it a few years back but did not see any big difference on or off of it. i would try it again if I thought it really helped. Fortunately, my symptoms are not extreme but could still be improved!!

Skinny Ray--You had mentioned reducing my VCO intake. Not intentionally, I have not had any VCO for about three days. Thinking back--I do not seem as tired. I can at least get out of bed. It still hits me around 2:00 every afternoon, tho'. I am confused as all get out! Everyone talks aout the huge enbergy burst from using it. Why, is it making ME tired??? Should I add some back gradually? I really want the VCO benefits!!

Thanks!!
S

Drugs, scientists and all that....
 

The thing about Diflucan and all that - you would have to have a doctor that actually BELIEVED that when you don't have a vaginal yeast infection that you still actually have yeast in your digestive tract. Which they don't, at least no one whose ever been on any of my insurance plans.

And, of course, that I'm not convinced that a drug wouldn't cause side effects. ....

They tell me that I don't have vaginal yeast anymore when I itch - in fact, they treated me for BVO last time someone looked at me. Which is weird, because I get very itchy externally, and the thing that helps the most is essential oils - especially spikenard, which is anti-fungal and all that. So I don't know what to think.

If I had a positive test, but no symptoms, they would still treat me for the disease. But when I have all the symptoms, but the test comes back negative, they won't treat me. I find it a worship of scientific method over my experience and thoughts, and it irritates me...

It's not that I don't like science - it's that science, and drug companies, and doctors, are all motivated to look at facts from a profit motive viewpoint. So its suspect ....