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Meg_S Sun, Oct-19-03 08:29

Rasputin, you'll know when you get closer to goal whether it's unhealthy or not. It doesn't sound unreasonable for your height and size... Don't sell yourself short and think, "oh, I could never get to the size I really want to because I'm so far off" When you get closer you may realize that your bodyfat will be 20% at say, 135 pounds OR it could be 20% at 115 lbs. It depends on the type of training you do from now until then and how much muscle you carry.......I have people telling me all the time that to lose 5-10 lbs is unreasonable, it's unhealthy for me to want to have less bodyfat. WHATEVER. They're all people who are sedentary and don't really put any effort into their physical health. 120 lbs doesn't sound unhealthy FOR NOW, just wait until your closer and you'll know for sure. Don't doubt yourself.

Meg

Rasputin Sun, Oct-19-03 08:37

Thanks for that, Meg. A wee bit paranoid about setting myself up for failure. Mind you any weight loss for me would not be a failure, eh?

re: ppl telling you that it is unreasonable to lose X amount of weight. I've noticed before when I've been trying to lose weight that at first ppl are quite supportive and then it is almost like they are trying to sabotage me! e.g., "One dessert tonight won't hurt" Offering me a dessert is like offering a recovering alcoholic a drink. Not only is it just mean!, but it will make me want MORE!

Maybe it is a jealousy thing or something?? Or maybe they are just used to me looking like this and are not processing the change themselves. I will still be *ME* regardless of the package. hhmmpph.... People ... strange animals!!

Val

Meg_S Sun, Oct-19-03 08:39

hey, you won't be setting yourself up for failure! Things change, if you have to change your goal later, then you've been successful for getting close enough to it to have to change it!!

korry1977 Sun, Oct-19-03 10:16

No one is setting up for failure here... I think I explained earlier that even it you dont get to your goal at least you made progress... Of course, that doesnt mean to give 25 % or even 75 % effort here...

You need to give yourself 95 to 100 % effort here...

...because it is you that looks at yourself every Friday morning in the mirror and it is you that reflects if you honestly gave it 95 to 100 % effort the preceding week...

Stay focused and motivated...

Have a great week,
Korry

korry1977 Sun, Oct-19-03 10:21

What I meant by that last post was:

You can break down the larger goal into weekly or biweekly (smaller) goals... (Much easier to manage)

And the other aspect I wanted to emphasize was that you must give yourself an honest effort here, because the self-reflecting part is important, since noone can keep secrets from themselves...

Have a productive week,
Korry

red1cutie Sun, Oct-19-03 10:29

Hi Rasputin! I have a different take on this. I had the same problem when I started. I had a goal of 110 pounds but when I worked out my lean body mass (at the time it was 97) that would mean in order to achieve that goal weight my body fat would have to be 11% with I thought was really low and would be really hard to achieve and maintain for women because our levels generally tend to be higher. So I decided that a more reasonable goal would be 120 pounds which would allow my body fat 19% (19.66%).

Since your lean body mass is 114 to achieve a goal wegh of 120 your body fat would have to be approximately 5% which is extremely low. IMHO a better body fat range would be between 19% and 22%.

At 140 goal your body fat would be ~18.6%
At 141 goal your body fat would be ~19.1%
At 142 goal your body fat would be ~19.7%
At 143 goal your body fat would be ~20.2%
At 144 goal your body fat would be ~20.8%
At 145 goal your body fat would be ~21.3%

I guess you could even go a little lower to between 15% and 17%. But 5% is definitely too low. However if your lean body mass goes down whilst you are on this WOL then you would have to adjust your goal.

My lean body mass went down to 93 pounds (lost 4 pounds of muscle) so I am thinking of adjusting my goal to 117 which would put me at 20.5% body fat, if my muscle mass does not increase with BFL.

Hope that helped. Good luck.

Peace
red

Rasputin Sun, Oct-19-03 10:45

Thanks to both of you for your input. And red, thanks for doing the math for me!! I was just trying to do it myself ... handy timing!! I'll watch those numbers as I reduce to see what is a comfy weight for me.

Making the effort, Korry! Not for you or this forum or anyone else but for me. Because you are absolutely right - "noone can keep secrets from themselves". This journey is not just about the weight. ;)

Not cheated once this week! Quite a big deal for me as I have a wee history of binging (no purge though!) under stress.

My goals this week -
*Continue the no cheat mode
*Get off the tube one stop earlier in the morning and walk to work a bit further.
*In the evenings, no tube. Just walk to the train station. I am sure I can make it before my 1648 train. Otherwise, the 1700 is not a bad option.
*Tai chi - thursday at lunch time. Not a wild burner or anything, but good for body & soul nonetheless!

korry1977 Sun, Oct-19-03 13:03

How is everyone's Sunday going?

Ready to gear up for this oncoming week?

Have you gotten your plan-of-action ready for this week?

If yes... :read2:

Have you 'fine-tuned' it for this week and identified any obstacles that you may encounter this week...

..and Of course, tell yourself where you want to be by Friday...

Have a good one,
Korry

Cappy Sun, Oct-19-03 14:35

Yep, I'm with ya Korry! Gearing myself up for a more productive week. Went grocery shopping and stocked up on "safe" stuff to snack on -- my personal goal this week is to get to at least 159. (Seems like I've been at 161 forever!) Also going to try to get more walking in this week. Cheers!

Trainerdan Sun, Oct-19-03 15:23

Getting measured tonight ... My plan for the next 4 weeks is ready to go ... I know what I have to do, and tomorrow I start doing it!

Trainerdan Sun, Oct-19-03 18:54

OK, just got measured ... I'm better off in the bodyfat department than I thought. I'm 242 lbs at 13.5%. I'll take it!

Here is the cut-and-paste from mybodycomp.com:

Height 75.00 in (1.91 m)
Weight 243 lbs (110.00 kg)
Neck 16.73 in (42.50 cm)
Shoulder 53.50 in (135.90 cm)
Chest 45.00 in (114.30 cm)
Waist 37.99 in (96.50 cm)
Abdomen 38.50 in (97.80 cm)
Hips 41.50 in (105.40 cm)
Thigh 27.01 in (68.60 cm)
Knee 16.26 in (41.30 cm)
Calf 17.01 in (43.20 cm)
Ankle 10.00 in (25.40 cm)
Arm 14.02 in (35.60 cm)
Forearm 11.50 in (29.20 cm)
Wrist 7.52 in (19.10 cm)

LBM is 210 lbs ... Fat mass is 33 lbs. (obviously mainly around my waist ... 38.5" OMG!!)

Morning cardio and CKD start tomorrow. :thup: Love that 5:00 am cardio ...

becky160 Mon, Oct-20-03 00:28

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...because it is you that looks at yourself every Friday morning in the mirror and it is you that reflects if you honestly gave it 95 to 100 % effort the preceding week...


Well, yesterday I was getting out of the shower, when my husband was inside. He STARED at me and said:

"OH my GOD! I can really tell you have lost many inches!!! turn around! O my God!! You look great!"
He was my mirror...but at least he could speak and give me very nice comments.
This is what keeps me motivated. :yay: :yay: :yay:

Cappy Mon, Oct-20-03 03:59

Awww, that's so nice Becky, don't those comments make you feel GREAT?!?! ;-)

Meg_S Mon, Oct-20-03 04:17

Becky that is so awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a wonderful thing to read in the morning :) That must have felt so good.
take care
Meg

red1cutie Mon, Oct-20-03 07:40

Becky, that's great. Your husband is such a sweetie. No need for a mirror. :D

Trainedan, wow your bodyfat is fantastic.:yay: I was looking at your cardio schedule. I might try it next month. I want to lower my too high body fat as well. What do you do for cardio?

I think that my biggest obstacle is myself. I find that if I wait to late in the day to do my workout the likelihood of me not doing it is greater. So my aim is not to miss a day of BFL and doing it consistently Will hopefully make me see good results. In November I intend to pump it up a notch by increasing me cardio from 20 minutes every other day.

We can do this! Good luck everyone.

Peace
red

Trainerdan Mon, Oct-20-03 07:49

Red, thanks for the compliment.

For cardio, I usually just ride a stationary bike that I have at my house. Sometimes on the days I am off from work I go to the gym for my AM cardio and use the elliptical trainer. Nothing exciting ... I used to do intervals/HIIT, but I seem to get better results with LSD training (long slow duration) for cardio.

Doing it in the morning gets it out of the way, and I think it burns more fat. At least I feel that way.

Hol Mon, Oct-20-03 18:23

Hi,
Well this week I really tried hard and I lost 2 pounds. Even in the Island of homemade candy (fudge) I did not slip up. I walked miles. I thought I would be down more but a friend reminded me that when I do measurements next week see if I lost inches. I am still burning ketones a cording to the keto stix. I us that to make sure I am still on track. I am sorry this is late but due to being out of town better late than never. Holly

korry1977 Mon, Oct-20-03 21:48

Thats cool... I hope everything is going good for everyone this week...

Have a great one,
Korry

korry1977 Mon, Oct-20-03 21:50

Did 20 MAS earlier this morning... had a miller lite beer this evening... total of 6 -8 g Carbs.. not bad.. but found out dont really care for beer anymore... and the smoky area just plain stinks... LOL

Have a great one everyone,
Korry

senimoni Mon, Oct-20-03 22:18

Hope its not to late to join.

I haven't measure myself in awhile, so I'll have to get some tape and update with that information later.


Goals
Weight - Kinda hard to say, ideally 10-12 lbs lost, but my focus is in the gym and adding muscle so I won't be too upset if I don't hit this

I mostly want to focus on BF% and inches lost.
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BF % decrease from 29% to 24% (Is that realistic)
Inches lose at least 3 inches on my waist.
LBs decrease from 161 to 150
Workout - Lift 4 days a week, Cardio 2 days, not including tennis.

I'm rambling, but that is the jist of it. I will report my weight and inches weekly, but bodyfat I get measured at the gym,most likely once a month.

korry1977 Tue, Oct-21-03 09:22

Welcome senimoni...

Please read the first two pages of this thread to get a good idea (I recommend the entire 6 pages) on what this challenge is all about... If you still want to join after that, then jump in the challenge...

Have a great one,
Korry

red1cutie Tue, Oct-21-03 13:36

Hi hardcorers! I did LBW today, took me 42 minutes. I really felt those squats and deadlifts. My legs were still a bit sore from my last LBW.
Quote:
For cardio, I usually just ride a stationary bike that I have at my house. Sometimes on the days I am off from work I go to the gym for my AM cardio and use the elliptical trainer. Nothing exciting ... I used to do intervals/HIIT, but I seem to get better results with LSD training (long slow duration) for cardio.
Do you increase your protein/calories/carbs when you add the extra afternoon cardio or do you remain at the same level?

Hope everyone is sticking to their plan.

Remember Christmas is in 64 days. :wave:

Peace
red

Trainerdan Wed, Oct-22-03 05:44

The added afternoon cardio on Fridays is done as a final depletion before my carb-up starts. When I am done my weight training on Friday, I do cardio. Then, I start my carb-up for the weekend.

When I increase it over the course of the program, I don't normally increase by intake ... but then again, I usually go by how my body feels. I stickto my schedule, but if my body is hungry between meals, I eat (usually cottage cheese or 1/2 a protein shake) ...

The only time alter my base menu calorie intake is when I register a LBM increase ...

Trainerdan Wed, Oct-22-03 05:49

So far so good this week, except I missed AM cardio this morning (I'll get it in tonight).

I forgot how "fun" it is to workout with low carbs. I played 2 quick games of basketball yesterday, and my legs felt like they weighed 100 lbs. each ...

Oh, and I have been in the bathroom at least 20 times each day. I expect that most of the glycogen-held water is gone by now. LOL.

becky160 Wed, Oct-22-03 11:11

Hummmm....I just stick to my Pilates work out and do some walking....Maybe I joined the wrong thread.....

Trainerdan Wed, Oct-22-03 12:17

No no Becky. I NEED to do all of that to get the results I want.

It's all a matter of what works for YOUR body. It's all relative.

Hol Wed, Oct-22-03 19:51

Ok I have a few questions (they maybe dumb) When do you do carb-up and how is it none? Does it help with weight loss? You'll have to forgive me I am new to the lingo and the diet, so I don't know all the tricks. Thanks Holly

korry1977 Wed, Oct-22-03 21:52

Maybe you should check out the CKD 101 thread... Here is the link:

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=16165

Hope this helps,
Korry

korry1977 Thu, Oct-23-03 11:10

LOL,

I started my cardio back up consistently these week, after 2 weeks of sitting on my butt...

Hoping to see some improvement on Friday...

Have a great one,
Korry

P.S. Did 20MAS this morning... Hit a "10" and sustained for a minute (finally!)

becky160 Thu, Oct-23-03 13:27

Need info, Please......
 
TrainerDan,

I have seen that you have published a book!

Great! Sorry, haven't read it!

But I have one question:

Since I started refeeding once every two weeks, my weight loss is speeding, and I feel great.
I do not do it the CKD Way. I only have 1 meal for dinner, for max. 60 minutes.
consisting of High GI foods, and Complex carbs, low fat and low Protein. Next day I am back to induction, and on the 2nd day, my Ketositicks turn out purple and lasts until my next refeed, 16 days after.

Is it ok, for a person who is slightly active and on Atkins, to do this refeeding?

Why does it work for some people and not for other?

Thank you for taking your time on aswering me.

See you! :wave:


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